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D&D 5E Test of High Level 5E: Design 4 or 5 lvl 13 PCs for 6 to 8 encounter adventuring day
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BoldItalic
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That sounds like a good idea. There does need to be a way of at least indexing the posts here.
For the character sheets, if they get updated, do we need to preserve an audit trail, with every version archived, or we just need a quick way to link to the most recent version of each?
iserith
Magic Wordsmith
I would say final versions only.
Azurewraith
Explorer
I can't imagine they will change much if at all tbh
BoldItalic
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Okay. How about post somewhere with a static index of links to the five posts as they stand now, and if and when we update our sheets, we edit them in place rather than posting new copies?
This is the list I have bookmarked:
Flamestrike
Did you give the cleric magic items? If you did, I'll look for them. I did him later, so not sure you had tossed him a few yet.
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Jubali asks, "Well, Myrken, it seems we are incapable of reaching the Mountain in time. If you wish us to fulfill this task, it seems you should ensure we arrive...and by the way, what is an atropal? I have not heard of that creature."
OOC: I've been employing Insight to determine if Myrken is lying to us to press us into action to recover the items with the threat of world destruction or if he is genuine. Jubali and the cleric would like to ensure they are not being manipulated. Now as a player, I'm fairly certain this is legitimate. I wouldn't be doing due diligence if I didn't watch for subterfuge by the king to motivate some adventurers into deadly peril on his behalf.
Cleric usually watches why Jubali speaks. +10 insight.
Jubali keeps an eye on him herself: +5 insight
First part of Discussion: Opening hook by DM. In higher level play I tend to have the PCs attempt to shift the negotiations to her advantage. I apologized to Flamestrike for the OOC pressure on the DM. I don't usually do that. It's understood usually after playing that long that the party is willing and powerful enough to walk away from almost any hook if the negotiations don't suit their character's personalities. My particular party has a few members that are willing to die rather than submit to the influence of another entity. At this point the threatening of another PC is about the main method I have of forcing them into action because this pressures the real life friendships. I've done it a few times effectively where it felt natural and I didn't disempower them in the process, but made it an interesting role-playing scenario.
You should also always be using Insight and scouting the individual making the offer. You don't want to end up manipulated because you're not looking for deception. High level enemies are usually experts at subterfuge. They can use a lot of tools to manipulate a party. If you're not paying attention to the possibility of ambush at that level, you're looking to die. I'm tempted to use a charge of my gem of seeing to see if this guy is polymorphed or magically disguised, but I feel given the situation Flamestrike is likely on the up and up and we gotta go to get this thing rolling.
Just recall that scouting the plot hook is within the capabilities of high level characters. High level divination spells, conjured scouts, and utilizing detect thoughts should be commonplace methods to determine if things are as they seem. There is not much time in this situation, so I'll have to forego the usual scouting.
Did you give the cleric magic items? If you did, I'll look for them. I did him later, so not sure you had tossed him a few yet.
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Jubali asks, "Well, Myrken, it seems we are incapable of reaching the Mountain in time. If you wish us to fulfill this task, it seems you should ensure we arrive...and by the way, what is an atropal? I have not heard of that creature."
OOC: I've been employing Insight to determine if Myrken is lying to us to press us into action to recover the items with the threat of world destruction or if he is genuine. Jubali and the cleric would like to ensure they are not being manipulated. Now as a player, I'm fairly certain this is legitimate. I wouldn't be doing due diligence if I didn't watch for subterfuge by the king to motivate some adventurers into deadly peril on his behalf.
Cleric usually watches why Jubali speaks. +10 insight.
Jubali keeps an eye on him herself: +5 insight
First part of Discussion: Opening hook by DM. In higher level play I tend to have the PCs attempt to shift the negotiations to her advantage. I apologized to Flamestrike for the OOC pressure on the DM. I don't usually do that. It's understood usually after playing that long that the party is willing and powerful enough to walk away from almost any hook if the negotiations don't suit their character's personalities. My particular party has a few members that are willing to die rather than submit to the influence of another entity. At this point the threatening of another PC is about the main method I have of forcing them into action because this pressures the real life friendships. I've done it a few times effectively where it felt natural and I didn't disempower them in the process, but made it an interesting role-playing scenario.
You should also always be using Insight and scouting the individual making the offer. You don't want to end up manipulated because you're not looking for deception. High level enemies are usually experts at subterfuge. They can use a lot of tools to manipulate a party. If you're not paying attention to the possibility of ambush at that level, you're looking to die. I'm tempted to use a charge of my gem of seeing to see if this guy is polymorphed or magically disguised, but I feel given the situation Flamestrike is likely on the up and up and we gotta go to get this thing rolling.
Just recall that scouting the plot hook is within the capabilities of high level characters. High level divination spells, conjured scouts, and utilizing detect thoughts should be commonplace methods to determine if things are as they seem. There is not much time in this situation, so I'll have to forego the usual scouting.
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OOC: I'll remember tag OOC next time. This was not Jubali or any character speaking to you. This was player to player. I'm assuming this is why you think Edward knows Jubali is trying to determine if Myrken is lying. She would not reveal that to Edward who she doesn't know. This exercise is now a fairly random party that doesn't know each other forced into a situation. Jubali and Dom are bard and cleric you've just met.
No need to beg. Myrken will transport us there or the world will end. Up to him. The characters should not need to waste a 5th or 7th level spell slot when the King's archmage with a teleportation code is standing in front of us telling us the world will end if we don't make it there and recover the sword. That is sufficient leverage to motivate the archmage to spend his resources to get us where we need to go, otherwise we all die, right? If the archmage is telling the truth, he'll spend his resources on travel to help us preserve ours for more important matters. If he refuses on behalf of the king to transport us there, you can be fairly certain he's lying about the time limit and when the world will end. We will press that advantage since the DM was kind enough to furnish us with an archmage and a powerful king. At the very least, he will supply the scroll.
I would suggest Edward flat out tell him that it would be in the king's and Myrken's best interests to ensure we reach the location of our target without having to expend magic he knows we will need to accomplish the task. Use the logical argument, "No one would know that better than you, Myrken. So procure me a scroll or transport us there yourself. We'll need every bit of magic I can muster to save the world."
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BoldItalic
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With friends like this, who needs enemies? 
Edward asks Myrkyn: "Is there perhaps a teleportation circle in the king's palace somewhere, that we could use to reach the one in the dracolich lair? You see, I don't have a suitable spell handy, and we haven't got time to walk, obviously? And, by the way, Jubali thinks you're lying to us, don't you dear? You aren't, are you?"
Bedrock says to Edward: "Now, now, Edward, there's no need to be undiplomatic. I'm sure The Venerable Myrkyn is aware that I could cast a Zone of Truth spell if I chose. I think we should all assume that we are on the same side here." and looks around for general assent.
Analysis
Edward has previously established friendly relations with Myrkyn, wizard-to-wizard, so he doesn't suspect deception and takes the situation at face value. But, being a wizard, it occurs to him that there might well be a teleportation circle in a king's palace so he asks a more tactful question. However, one of his personality traits is: Edward bluntly says what other people are hinting at or hiding. Hence the second question. It ought to be a flaw, really, but it's out of the book Urchin background. Lulu could have a point.
Bedrock's inclination is to sooth over the situation and cover up Edward's social gaffe. After all, if they are successful in the adventure and come back for a reward, it's better to have Myrkyn on-side than to rub him up the wrong way at the outset. His ideal includes: all people, regardless of station, deserve to be treated with dignity. Also, his bond is Nothing is more important to Bedrock than the other members of his family and he regards Edward as potential family (via the possible liaison with Lulu).
See, although we aren't really role-playing, I'm angling for inspiration ...
Edward asks Myrkyn: "Is there perhaps a teleportation circle in the king's palace somewhere, that we could use to reach the one in the dracolich lair? You see, I don't have a suitable spell handy, and we haven't got time to walk, obviously? And, by the way, Jubali thinks you're lying to us, don't you dear? You aren't, are you?"
Bedrock says to Edward: "Now, now, Edward, there's no need to be undiplomatic. I'm sure The Venerable Myrkyn is aware that I could cast a Zone of Truth spell if I chose. I think we should all assume that we are on the same side here." and looks around for general assent.
Analysis
Edward has previously established friendly relations with Myrkyn, wizard-to-wizard, so he doesn't suspect deception and takes the situation at face value. But, being a wizard, it occurs to him that there might well be a teleportation circle in a king's palace so he asks a more tactful question. However, one of his personality traits is: Edward bluntly says what other people are hinting at or hiding. Hence the second question. It ought to be a flaw, really, but it's out of the book Urchin background. Lulu could have a point.
Bedrock's inclination is to sooth over the situation and cover up Edward's social gaffe. After all, if they are successful in the adventure and come back for a reward, it's better to have Myrkyn on-side than to rub him up the wrong way at the outset. His ideal includes: all people, regardless of station, deserve to be treated with dignity. Also, his bond is Nothing is more important to Bedrock than the other members of his family and he regards Edward as potential family (via the possible liaison with Lulu).
See, although we aren't really role-playing, I'm angling for inspiration ...
Azurewraith
Explorer
With friends like this, who needs enemies?
Edward asks Myrkyn: "Is there perhaps a teleportation circle in the king's palace somewhere, that we could use to reach the one in the dracolich lair? You see, I don't have a suitable spell handy, and we haven't got time to walk, obviously? And, by the way, Jubali thinks you're lying to us, don't you dear? You aren't, are you?"
Bedrock says to Edward: "Now, now, Edward, there's no need to be undiplomatic. I'm sure The Venerable Myrkyn is aware that I could cast a Zone of Truth spell if I chose. I think we should all assume that we are on the same side here." and looks around for general assent.
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Well that got awkward real fast..
"Barkeeper another round of your finest "ale"... yes ale, that's what we shall call it." *Thomas heads over to the bar rummaging in his pack* "cancel that round turns out we are sorted". *he wanders back over to the table taking stock of everyone's magical equipment, plonks down a tankard* "hope you don't mind sharing chaps I mean where all family here right, it really is bottomless. So dracolich what do we all know I'm assuming its Draco as in dragon and lich as in very hard to kill zombie mage I appreciate the impending doom of the world but babey steps"
BoldItalic
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Bedrock has History skill but not Arcana.
Bedrock: I remember reading somewhere that a dracolich called Dragotha was forced into inactivity by a wizard called Keraptis using something called the Crown of Mortality. I'm guessing it's the same Keraptis and the same Dragotha. But I've never been quite sure what a dracolich actually is - the book didn't say.
Bedrock: I remember reading somewhere that a dracolich called Dragotha was forced into inactivity by a wizard called Keraptis using something called the Crown of Mortality. I'm guessing it's the same Keraptis and the same Dragotha. But I've never been quite sure what a dracolich actually is - the book didn't say.
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