Rogue One trailer

[Kramodlog]

What makes it great? Once you strip out all the iconic elements that have been used in the existing movies, what's left that makes it identifiably Star Wars, and not just generic-sci-fi-setting?

So your argument is that Star Wars and Star Trek are the same?

 

[Kramodlog]

You are, of course, free to have your own opinion on what makes a movie good or bad. But I'm going to guess that most of the rest of us will have a good time at the movies.

Maybe I will. I'm not a fanboy and I didn't travel to the future, so I'll have to wait after I see the film to say if I liked it or not.

What I do know for sure is that The Force Awakens showed the limits of tapping into the Empire, Jedis, the force, the Death Star, Luke, etc, and that Rogue One is doing it again.

 

[Umbran]

So your argument is that Star Wars and Star Trek are the same?

I think the argument (which is actually a pretty solid mathematical principle) is that if you remove everything that makes something a member of a set, it ceases to be in that set. A Star Wars movie that contains no recognizable Star Wars elements is a contradiction in terms.

 

[Tonguez]

Is Star Wars really that undistinguishable from Star Trek, the Alien universe, Doctor Who Cares, Firefly and Guardians of the Galaxy?

um lets see

Star Wars - a group of rebels/smugglers join a kid with powers to fight against the imperial expansion of a militarized government

Firefly - a group of rebels/smugglers join a kid with powers to fight against the imperial expansion of a militarized government

GotG - a group of criminals/smugglers join a kid with powers to fight against the imperial expansion of a militarized government.
In this one the Militant General (Ronan) and the Emperor (Thanos) are building a doomsday weapon (Infinity Stones) that can destroy a planet

Blakes 7, Stargate, Farscape.
Doctor Who sort of follows the premise of the Kid with powers fighting bad guys across space too, and Star Trek federation could be argued to be the founding of the Republic

So nope without the Star Wars tropes they're all pretty much vanilla sci-fi

 

[MarkB]

So your argument is that Star Wars and Star Trek are the same?

I didn't make an argument. I asked a question. Do you have an answer to the question?

 

[Hussar]

I didn't call it a new movie. You just did.

That it is set in a galaxy far far away. After that, writers should use their imagination.

Ah, Semantics: The Blathering. Sorry, not interested. Your statement was that the new movie should be new like Guardian's of the Galaxy. Now, either you mis stated, in which case you need to explain your point better, or your just trolling. Since you then doubled down, it's obvious you're just trolling on a ridiculous topic for the sake of drumming up, what exactly?

Pointless waste of time and shame on me for engaging.

 

[Umbran]

GotG[/B] - a group of criminals/smugglers join a kid with powers to fight against the imperial expansion of a militarized government.

Except the kid (the only person represented in that movie as a child was Peter Quill) doesn't have powers. He's just a dude.

Farscape. Doctor Who

Again, not seeing the "kid with powers" here. Doctor Who hasn't really had one since... Adric?

 

[Tonguez]

Except the kid (the only person represented in that movie as a child was Peter Quill) doesn't have powers. He's just a dude.

They don't reveal it until the end but Peter Quill is indeed the special kid with powers - in his case he's the only 'mortal' able to wield the infinity stones because apparently he has a special unknown father

Again, not seeing the "kid with powers" here. Doctor Who hasn't really had one since... Adric?

Okay so Doctor Who was a long stretch - but the Daleks do call the Doctor "the last child of Gallifrey" and both Rose and Clara might be considered 'Kids with powers' (their relative youthfulness vs the Doctor was highlighted in the show) - but yeah maybe not Doctor Who

 

[Kramodlog]

um lets see

Star Wars - a group of rebels/smugglers join a kid with powers to fight against the imperial expansion of a militarized government

Firefly - a group of rebels/smugglers join a kid with powers to fight against the imperial expansion of a militarized government

GotG - a group of criminals/smugglers join a kid with powers to fight against the imperial expansion of a militarized government.
In this one the Militant General (Ronan) and the Emperor (Thanos) are building a doomsday weapon (Infinity Stones) that can destroy a planet

Blakes 7, Stargate, Farscape.
Doctor Who sort of follows the premise of the Kid with powers fighting bad guys across space too, and Star Trek federation could be argued to be the founding of the Republic

So nope without the Star Wars tropes they're all pretty much vanilla sci-fi

That isn't the story I'm talking about. With Rogue One I'm talking about Rebels going after the Death Star. We know that story. It is the iconic #4... and 6, and 7 and arguably #1. Now 3.5 is about it again? We know. The Rebels really want to blow the Death Star. And do it. Many times. Can we get something else?

Obviously not, since fans demand more and more of the same thing. Of well. As long as fans give their money to Disney, all will stay the same.

 

[Kramodlog]

Your statement was that the new movie should be new like Guardian's of the Galaxy.

I never said GotG was new. I said it should be like GotG. So new characters unrelated to Rebels fighting the Empire doing their own thing. And actually fun, compared to the last 5 Star Wars movies.