I don't think the DCU is that bad...

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
It actually took me a while to realize the Fantastic 4 were Marvel. Though I knew of Iron Man and Thor, as well as Spider-man, Captain America, and the Hulk (who I do not enjoy). I don't know who Martian Manhunter is however.

It long been established that DC's Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and Flash are the most famous Comic superheroes and the only 'Golden Age' heroes who gained lasting recognition. Indeed Superman and Batman have become so iconic that their cultural presence extends beyond comics into the realm of modern myth, that was one reason why BvS was so widely panned, people had big expectations.

DCs characters are mythic in their scope, Superman is the Messiah sent from higher powers to save the earth, Batman is reluctant avenger, the one man who must stand against injustice,Wonder Women is a goddess made flesh and The Flash is the fastest man alive.

Marvels characters in contrast are just people who get lucky, the teenage who was bit by a spider, the scientist transformed into a monster, the righteous soldier, man in a iron suit, a whole slew of oppressed mutants. Of these properties only The Hulk and Spiderman have joined the list of recognisable comic tropes during the 1960's and that for most of the public is it.

Before the MCU you'd probably have more people who knew who the Phantom (Ghost Who Walks) and Mandrake were than knew about Ironman or Black Widow. Marvels greatest success is that they were able to take second tier characters and repackage them for movie going audiences.

DC needs to play up its mythic nature but to do so the directors need to understand the mythic tropes inherent to their characters. Batman as dark avenger works in a grim world, Wonder Woman appears to have found her fit too, the challenge is Superman and his persecuted messiah complex
 

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Ryujin

Legend
It actually took me a while to realize the Fantastic 4 were Marvel. Though I knew of Iron Man and Thor, as well as Spider-man, Captain America, and the Hulk (who I do not enjoy). I don't know who Martian Manhunter is however.

I was rather surprised to find out, through various media, that Captain America wasn't a well known Marvel character prior to the movies. He was one of my favourite characters growing up, which I suppose is only normal for a kid who was smaller and weaker than most.

The Hulk, apart from the Avengers movies, hasn't been done very well in my opinion.

Martian Manhunter is an interesting character. He can change shape, change his density to the point that he can pass through solid objects, and has telepathic abilities. He is the last remaining Green Martian, the rest of his race having been slaughtered by the more warlike White Martians. His major weakness is fire. There has been some suggestion that he is more powerful than Superman, at least once stated by Superman himself.

Another DC that I rather like, who has been given short shrift, is Doctor Fate. The only recent appearance that I can remember, from a live action series, was when his helmet was sitting on a table in John Constantine's lair during the short-lived series.
 

Hussar

Legend
I have to admit, 99% of my DC knowledge comes from TV and mostly the animated stuff. It's funny, but, I can't honestly remember when there wasn't a DC character on TV in some form or another. Going back a while to Lois and Clark, and even before that, there was a short lived live action Flash series (I might be wrong in the timeline there, that's a LONG time ago). But, on the small screen at least, DC has been prodding buttock and taking names.

Flip around to the big screen and it's pretty much the opposite. Marvel has been the go to for superhero movies for, what, twenty years now? Sure, we had a couple of good Superman movies in the 70's and 80's and the first couple of Batman movies, but, it took Marvel products to make superhero movies a THING. (no pun intended).

I just really think that people are far too hard on the DCU movies. I honestly didn't think Suicide Squad was that bad. It was a fun action movie. Now, my only knowledge of Suicide Squad comes form the cartoons - they featured in an animated movie (?), somewhere or other anyway. And my only knowledge of any of the characters is from cartoons. Harley Quinn? Yup, check, that's the same as the one I saw in Batman cartoons. Deadshot? Only saw him in Arrow. Seems like a decent character. Amanda Waller? Yup, nailed that one. (and, as hot as the Amanda Waller actress is in Arrow, that's NOT what I consider to be Amanda Waller)

So, again, not seeing the issue. But, I do realize that I'm whistling in the dark here. That movie got crucified. And I really don't understand why.
 

Ryujin

Legend
I have to admit, 99% of my DC knowledge comes from TV and mostly the animated stuff. It's funny, but, I can't honestly remember when there wasn't a DC character on TV in some form or another. Going back a while to Lois and Clark, and even before that, there was a short lived live action Flash series (I might be wrong in the timeline there, that's a LONG time ago). But, on the small screen at least, DC has been prodding buttock and taking names.

Flip around to the big screen and it's pretty much the opposite. Marvel has been the go to for superhero movies for, what, twenty years now? Sure, we had a couple of good Superman movies in the 70's and 80's and the first couple of Batman movies, but, it took Marvel products to make superhero movies a THING. (no pun intended).

I just really think that people are far too hard on the DCU movies. I honestly didn't think Suicide Squad was that bad. It was a fun action movie. Now, my only knowledge of Suicide Squad comes form the cartoons - they featured in an animated movie (?), somewhere or other anyway. And my only knowledge of any of the characters is from cartoons. Harley Quinn? Yup, check, that's the same as the one I saw in Batman cartoons. Deadshot? Only saw him in Arrow. Seems like a decent character. Amanda Waller? Yup, nailed that one. (and, as hot as the Amanda Waller actress is in Arrow, that's NOT what I consider to be Amanda Waller)

So, again, not seeing the issue. But, I do realize that I'm whistling in the dark here. That movie got crucified. And I really don't understand why.

Yup, "The Flash" came before "Lois and Clark", and starred the guy who played Barry Allen's dad in the current "The Flash." The tried a couple of "Captain America" TV series too.

Any time that you try to adapt a much beloved property and don't stick to decades old canon, you're going to get heavy criticism from long time fans. Look at "Star Trek." Harley Quinn was a throw-away character from an animated piece who was so successful, that they wrapped her back into the comics. Deadshot was around for a while.
 



Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
[video=youtube;pX_yN4ONSZ8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX_yN4ONSZ8[/video]

This is the first Marvel Movie 1977

(there was a Captain America serial in the 1940's but that was Timely comics)
 
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lol, you know honestly at this point i just want this bit to be done in a live action movie...
[video=youtube;pMd4S-LkywI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMd4S-LkywI[/video]
 

ccs

41st lv DM
I have to admit, 99% of my DC knowledge comes from TV and mostly the animated stuff. It's funny, but, I can't honestly remember when there wasn't a DC character on TV in some form or another. Going back a while to Lois and Clark, and even before that, there was a short lived live action Flash series (I might be wrong in the timeline there, that's a LONG time ago). But, on the small screen at least, DC has been prodding buttock and taking names.

Oh DC has had a TV presence LONG before that.
1950s - Superman (George Reeve)
1960s - Batman (Adam West)
1970s - Wonder Woman (Linda Carter). And on Sat. Mornings Captain Marvel/Shazam & then Isis as a spin-off.
1980s - a short lived Superboy series.
1990s - The Flash, then Lois & Clark.
2ks - Smallville, Birds of Prey, & of course the current batch - Arrow, Flash, Legends, Supergirl, Constantine, Black Lightning (coming soon), Gotham, & izombie (technically it's a DC/Vertigo title).

And that's not counting DCs animation arm. They've been a continuing presence since the 60s.
 


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