D&D 5E Point Buy vs Rolling for Stats

[Maxperson]

Pretty much. The main argument I made is that a "stat" doesn't have to be purely natural ability, it can be considered the result of both natural ability and intrinsic effects (like a constant circumstance bonus). It got pushback from those who consider anything not within the physical confines of the character to be strictly within the DM's purview.

Probably because the game says that stats are the measure of a creature's physical and mental characteristics and then proceeds to demonstrate through example and rule that they are all within the confines of the PC.

 

[TwoSix]

Probably because the game says that stats are the measure of a creature's physical and mental characteristics and then proceeds to demonstrate through example and rule that they are all within the confines of the PC.

I agree that is an accurate representation of your side of the disagreement. Amazing how it blew up to 600+ posts last year.

 

[Caliban]

Probably because the game says that stats are the measure of a creature's physical and mental characteristics and then proceeds to demonstrate through example and rule that they are all within the confines of the PC.

Like, don't get hung up on the numbers, man.

 

[Maxperson]

Like, don't get hung up on the numbers, man.

What numbers dude? I didn't mention a single one. This is about the characteristics themselves being within the PC per the game. But then you knew that before you trolled me.

 

[Caliban]

What numbers dude? I didn't mention a single one. This is about the characteristics themselves being within the PC per the game. But then you knew that before you trolled me.

Like, get a sense of humor, man. (But, you are also full of it. Characteristics are measured by numbers, and you are incredibly hung up on exactly what numbers you can achieve, whether you admit it or not. It is funny watching you twist and turn though. )

 

[Maxperson]

I agree that is an accurate representation of your side of the disagreement. Amazing how it blew up to 600+ posts last year.

It's also an accurate representation of the game itself. You're free to change the game, and more power to you, but the game just doesn't back you up.

 

[Caliban]

It's also an accurate representation of the game itself. You're free to change the game, and more power to you, but the game just doesn't back you up.

Hahahaha...OK, I take it back. You do have a sense of humor. That's fantastic.

 

[TwoSix]

Hahahaha...OK, I take it back. You do have a sense of humor. That's fantastic.

Right? We're privileged to have some world-class Larry the Cable Guy level stuff right here.

 

[Tony Vargas]

Pretty much. The main argument I made is that a "stat" doesn't have to be purely natural ability, it can be considered the result of both natural ability and intrinsic effects (like a constant circumstance bonus). It got pushback from those who consider anything not within the physical confines of the character to be strictly within the DM's purview.

"Physical confines of the character?" Hmm. 5e is much more focused on the DM's side of the screen than the players, that's where the freedom & creativity can really be applied the most, so that seems understandable in context (3e & 4e were more explicit about giving players freedom to describe their character, and its abilities, respectively).
'Re-skinning' in 5e is theoretically possible, but probably a really good idea to run by your DM, even so, for instance.

Can you show me where in 5e D&D, the general population is generated by 3d6 in order? AFAIK, the general population is given flat stats same as any other monster. There is no D&D chargen system for general populations in 5e.

That's true, of course, but the flat stats in question are consistent with a population generated in 3d6 and sorted into straight 10 commoner, various above average NPCs and comparatively stellar PCs - the below-average, perhaps, providing a nod to medieval mortality rates...

Not that any of It's actually rolled, of course, just that it remains somewhat consistent with the ol' 3d6 'bell curve' of the classic game.

 

[TwoSix]

'Re-skinning' in 5e is theoretically possible, but probably a really good idea to run by your DM, even so, for instance.

Oh, absolutely. I tend to believe all character concepts should be run by the DM at session zero. This concept isn't really something I'd try to pull off at a con or AL play.