CapnZapp
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Evolve beyond the only reason for their existence?Uhh... “doing D&D but better” is exactly what Pathfinder was built on, and is exactly the thing I’m suggesting they evolve beyond.
You completely missed the point of my examples. A game that is its own thing will probably meet with the success of Numenera et al, that is, no success at all - at least if compared to the expectations I believe Paizo have.How are “selling their game on its own merits” and “gunning for continued parity with WotC” in any way mutually exclusive?
Who argued for that?I would argue that the former is absolutely necessary in order to accomplish the latter. As long as Pathfinder is just “3rd Edition but new,”
Look, if all you want is win the argument, by all means, keep setting up straw men.
Meanwhile, it's completely obvious Tony (post just above yours) got it.
The fact nobody will come for the brand alone is... A reason not to try creating that brand.The fact that no one will come for the brand name alone is why they need to establish a strong identity for their game.
Being like D&D is the *only* reason.“D&D, but crunchier?” Sure, that’s a good selling point - crunch is something the current edition of D&D is lacking in, which is precisely why PF2 caught my interest. But that’s what I’m saying, PF2 needs to do things D&D isn’t already doing, otherwise people will just stick with D&D. If they continue to just barely iterate on 3e’s design, they’re shooting themselves in the foot. They need to instead make a game that appeals in ways D&D 5e doesn’t. Being like D&D isn’t one of those ways.
If it ceases to be like D&D there is nothing left. Or do you believe anyone is interested in yet another fantasy game just because it's called something that was relevant for an edition from 18 years ago?
Why would old hardcore D&D gamers suddenly be interested in non D&D gaming??
And stop with the 3rd edition nonsense. Obviously their opportunity lies with an advanced 5th edition ish.