What makes Great Weapon Master and Sharpshooter so good?

[Sadras]

Pardon my hyberbole. A significant majority agrees with that assessment?

Based on the responses I have seen on Enworld over the years, I would tend to agree with you.

EDIT: Added the words tend to

 

[Oofta]

Pardon my hyberbole. A significant majority agrees with that assessment?

You'd have to do a survey to see how many people think GWM is "broken". I don't see it as a significant majority on these threads. I'd say a vocal minority think it's broken, others see it as slightly overpowered but not a big deal, others think the white room simulations and (possibly) inaccurate math overstate the issue.

I can only relate my experience: it's not a problem

 

[FrogReaver]

So in other words: people who disagree with you and don't see the issue in their games are either naïve or blind.

Give me a break. This is exactly the type of response Umbran was warning people about a few posts up.

You are putting words in my mouth. I must ask you to stop that.

 

[Sadras]

@FrogReaver, from my experience GWM used by a BM-Wizard under the effects of Enlarge, Shield and Haste - is a powerful combo. How well that compares to other combinations of damage dealing characters/classes I cannot say - for a number of factors. If I had to vote on it, I would say slightly overpowered but not a big deal.

These days I find the spell Haste to be more troublesome.

 

[SkidAce]

That's kind of he point.. many people used to say quadratic wizards were not a problem at their tables. We all now ageee such a thing is problematic and such people were either naive or blinded.

We do not all agree.

 

[Oofta]

You are putting words in my mouth. I must ask you to stop that.

I'm confused, and apologize if I misunderstand.

That's kind of he point.. many people used to say quadratic wizards were not a problem at their tables. We all now ageee such a thing is problematic and such people were either naive or blinded.

My interpretation of what you've said is roughly "GWM is equivalent to quadratic wizards from previous editions. Anyone who doesn't see that is either naïve or blind."

Are you not saying that? If not, why bring up issues with previous editions that have nothing to do with GWM and SS?

 

[FrogReaver]

I'm confused, and apologize if I misunderstand.





My interpretation of what you've said is roughly "GWM is equivalent to quadratic wizards from previous editions. Anyone who doesn't see that is either naïve or blind."

Are you not saying that? If not, why bring up issues with previous editions that have nothing to do with GWM and SS?

So let's start here. Do you dispute my claim about quadratic wizards being problematic and that those who defended them were naive or blind?

i promise I will get to the thrust of your question quickly.

 

[Oofta]

So let's start here. Do you dispute my claim about quadratic wizards being problematic and that those who defended them were naive or blind?

i promise I will get to the thrust of your question quickly.

I agree that in previous editions at higher levels wizards were far more powerful than other classes. Whether that's an issue for anyone is personal preference. Wizards were quite squishy and underpowered at lower levels, and high level games in my experience were rare. But yes, somewhere around 14th level, fighters simply became meat shields for the casters.

I would disagree with someone who felt differently, I would not call them blind or naïve.

 

[FrogReaver]

I agree that in previous editions at higher levels wizards were far more powerful than other classes. Whether that's an issue for anyone is personal preference. Wizards were quite squishy and underpowered at lower levels, and high level games in my experience were rare. But yes, somewhere around 14th level, fighters simply became meat shields for the casters.

I would disagree with someone who felt differently, I would not call them blind or naïve.

What would you do and what would you call them when they made the claim that such things did not occur at their table?

 

[Oofta]

What would you do and what would you call them when they made the claim that such things did not occur at their table?

I would relay my experience and disagree. I would try to determine why their experience was different. I would chalk it up to people running a different style of game than I do.

All of which you can done without being insulting.