And as has been pointed out repeatedly
athletes pacing themselves is not a metagame mechanic. What you are saying is that there can be no mechanics that disagree with the way you see the world.
You are getting all upset and offended about what goes on in one group.[/quopte]
I am getting particularly upset and offended that you are sneering at people who actually try to get into the head of fighters and you call changing your approach and pacing yourself metagame mechanics despite the fact they are nothing of the sort.
Please quote my sneer? I am saying I don't like that playstyle and I avoid it. You just can't stand that fact. You are getting all bent out of shape for nothing. Please if you have nothing constructive to add, I will carry on with the people who do seem to understand my question and are offering advice that could prove helpful.
We don't agree on what is and is not metagame. I get that. It does not matter. You can't convince me and I don't even care to try to convince you. I don't care what you think is or is not metagame. I have my opinion and since it's a game that is really all I care about.
Says the person who is claiming that fighters are metagaming when they think the way real world fighters do.
just repeat what I said above
But the problem here is when you say "I can't stand eggs" and then claim that a water chestnut is an egg.
Okay I am going to respond the way you do. Some guy at the table thinks an egg is a water chesnut and he insists on eating it at the table. Everyone else at the table knows it's an egg. I think you'll agree that player would be bounced fast.
Remember I have a group that thinks like I do. We know what we want. Even if I adopted your playstyle, I'd be finding a new group because they'd bounce me.
Indeed. It does not matter how enthusiastically or repetitively you argue that athletes do not pace themselves in combat and fighters don't mix up what they are doing to outmaneuver other fighters - they do.
I'm not asking him to change his criteria. I'm asking him to be honest about them - thinking the way real life athletes do and making the same sort of choices they do is not metagaming. Metagaming isn't the problem. Disagreeing with his understanding of the world and the way D&D has historically understood things is. He has clearly internalised D&D design assumptions and they are what he needs for flow. But he has internalised them to the point that it is impossible for him to enjoy games that handle things in a more realistic manner.
I am being honest. You just happen to be wrong. And you keep belaboring the point. What do you think you will achieve? Make everyone mad? Please just leave the thread. You obviously having nothing constructive to add to this conversation. You want to argue and reopen all the old edition wars because you apparently didn't get it out of your system. I did.
I am trying to solicit advice for my game. Where there is confusion I have explained. I think at least some people on here accept my views (doesn't mean they agree or want to play my playstyle) and are trying to help.