Rise of Skywalker - Bold Predictions Thread

[Anoth]

1. But the whole point of the Saga is this is when the Jedi Order finally failed and was replaced by something better. Destruction, Rebirth, Synthesis.
2. He learned it from Yoda. It worked, so why not try it again.

The Hegelian dialect at work. So Machiavellian.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I mean... A ton of those are just Star Wars tropes at this point.

Superweapons? Check
Secret vast fleets hiding in preperation? Check
Some bad/good person lying or omitting important facts? Check
People not actually dead when we all thought they were? Check

The most important question I want answered is this: If the movie does well and you like it Zard, will your spirit finally be at rest and can move on?
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I have to say, I was already excited about the movie, and now after seeing that clip Morrus posted, I can't wait. I knew there was a reason I was keeping away from Star Wars stuff until next week.

My bold claim.
With this newest information, I think... movie will tie things back together. With Palps having pulled on the strings from wherever he is hiding, forces will rise to stop him. Those allies of Leia's who didn't answer before still remember the tyranny of the old Emperor and finally heed the call to help.

Some awesome space battles are had. Some cool lightsabers fights take place. Sprinkle in some interesting but perhaps expected or hoped for conversions happen. BAM! The force is finally at equilibrium with a couple of Grey Jedi.

The only bold prediction I’ll make that actually matters to me is that there will be no “grey Jedi”.

I mostly make that prediction because...I’m not sure I can care about Star Wars if the Force is at balance when the light and dark are equal. To me, that is antithetical to the movies thus far, and to the point of the OT.

Part of what’s special about SW is that the mythical spiritual force that guides and permeates all life in the universe is Good, and the supernatural Evil of the setting is an unnatural corruption of that force.
If the moral nature of the force becomes grey, I just...don’t see why Star Wars matter at all anymore.

 

[Eltab]

I predict the 'Resistance Fleet' will be led (more or less) by Lando. His official reason to be here is troubleshooting for what is left of the Republic government. His unofficial reason is to check up on Leia and Han. He will hold a private funeral for Han Solo and personally fund the state funeral for General-Princess Leia Organa. And then he and his rag-tag fleet will set out to defeat impossible odds ... again. (With a little help from their friends.)

 

[OB1]

The only bold prediction I’ll make that actually matters to me is that there will be no “grey Jedi”.

I mostly make that prediction because...I’m not sure I can care about Star Wars if the Force is at balance when the light and dark are equal. To me, that is antithetical to the movies thus far, and to the point of the OT.

Part of what’s special about SW is that the mythical spiritual force that guides and permeates all life in the universe is Good, and the supernatural Evil of the setting is an unnatural corruption of that force.
If the moral nature of the force becomes grey, I just...don’t see why Star Wars matter at all anymore.

I think that the force can be good while the Jedi are ‘grey’ in that it’s important for each Jedi to confront and conquer the darkness inside themselves.
To me, that’s the point of Luke’s journey in the OT and what separates him from Yoda and the old order.
The old order failed by trying to exert such tight control of force sensitives that they spent a lifetime indoctrinating them against the slightest touch of the dark side, going so far as to take children from their families as babies to ‘train’ them.
That concept worked until it failed spectacularly. The new order needs a new way to deal with darkness.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I think that the force can be good while the Jedi are ‘grey’ in that it’s important for each Jedi to confront and conquer the darkness inside themselves.
To me, that’s the point of Luke’s journey in the OT and what separates him from Yoda and the old order.
The old order failed by trying to exert such tight control of force sensitives that they spent a lifetime indoctrinating them against the slightest touch of the dark side, going so far as to take children from their families as babies to ‘train’ them.
That concept worked until it failed spectacularly. The new order needs a new way to deal with darkness.

I’m not interested in that, but I’d be fine with it as long as it doesn’t imply or state that the Force itself is grey.

Edit: and that includes the whole EU thing where grey Jedi can use dark side powers and it doesn’t matter.

 

[ccs]

The old order failed by trying to exert such tight control of force sensitives that they spent a lifetime indoctrinating them against the slightest touch of the dark side, going so far as to take children from their families as babies to ‘train’ them.
That concept worked until it failed spectacularly. The new order needs a new way to deal with darkness.

The old order failing is an example of two sets of spectacularly failed Wisdom checks.
1) Qui-Gon Jinns seeking to bring "balance" to the Force.
Um, how'd he think this was going to play out? The Jedi were in control, things were generally good (except for the unknown trouble Palpatine was stirring up), there were no Sith (that they knew of) & even if there were there'd only be two of them. Vs the might of all of the Jedi. If you balance that.... Then there's either going to be a lot more Sith, a whole lot less Jedi, or both in the near future.
That sounds like a terrible plan!
Why didn't the Jedi Council point this out to Qui-Con?
2) Ok, so you snatch up 10 year old Anikin. You're told that he's too old (presumably because the Jedi claim the kids as babies before any attachments?). Clearly though there's a reason why this isn't how it's done. And you proceed to give him the traditional Jedi training anyways. And surprise, he develops problems as his Mother is still a slave back on Tatoonie.
??? And the Jedi never once consider altering their program, spending some serious coin to make Wato the wealthiest little blue cgi muppet on Tatoonie, & setting Anis mom up in a nice comfy condo because????
Whatever Watos price + Coruscant rent, I'd think that'd be $ well spent in avoiding balancing the Force.

 

[Hriston]

The imbalance was the presence of a Sith Lord. Anakin didn’t bring balance to the Force until he destroyed the emperor. That was the fulfillment of his destiny.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

The funny thing is the sith philosophy is really the only one of the major three that is actually logically serviceable even though its the one of the 3 that is meant to be the most clearly flawed. Really its the only one that actually works. The grey jedi philosophy essentially amounts to a limp wristed fail even though its intended to be the reasonable one.

 

[Morrus]

The imbalance was the presence of a Sith Lord. Anakin didn’t bring balance to the Force until he destroyed the emperor. That was the fulfillment of his destiny.

There's a dozen theories about what 'balance to the force' meant. This is a valid one but it's only one of many.

 

[Hriston]

There's a dozen theories about what 'balance to the force' meant. This is a valid one but it's only one of many.

I’m going to go with the Jedi Council on what they meant by “imbalance”.