Joss Whedon Allegations: The Undoing of the "Buffy" Creator

[CleverNickName]

You can't hold him accountable through a boycott, though. Like at all. If all of his revenue streams ended tomorrow, he's still set for this life, the next one and the one after that. All you can affect are the ones who didn't do anything wrong and need the money from residuals. A lot of actors only get smaller roles which don't pay tons in residuals, so anything they get is needed.

If you want some sort of boycott, don't give him future work.

A boycott would hurt more people than intended, too. A lot of talent goes into producing a television show, and Joss Whedon isn't the only one receiving revenue every time an episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer is broadcast or streamed. Boycotting that show will reduce the revenue stream for all the people involved, and that isn't fair.

It reminds me of when Roseanne Barr tweeted herself into exile, back in 2018. As a public figure she absolutely should have known better, and she definitely deserved to be fired for it. But unfortunately, you can't have a show called Roseanne without her, and so her show was cancelled. Suddenly, all of her colleagues and costars, as well as the writers and costumers and even the caterers, were all out of work. I don't think that was fair...but I don't think it was avoidable, either.

I'm not sure what the answer is. But I think it's going to be a lot more complicated than "To Boycott, or Not To Boycott."

 

[Zardnaar]

Was never a big Whedon fan. Liked Firefly though Angel and Buffy were stupid at the time but wife and sister in law love them so kinda got forced to watch them occasionally.

Currently reading the Elenium. Unlike most Eddings got punishment for his misdeeds and generally believe ex cons get a second chance.

Still enjoying the book but it's not so amazing now vs the 90's.

 

[Staffan]

It reminds me of when Roseanne Barr tweeted herself into exile, back in 2018. As a public figure she absolutely should have known better, and she definitely deserved to be fired for it. But unfortunately, you can't have a show called Roseanne without her, and so her show was cancelled. Suddenly, all of her colleagues and costars, as well as the writers and costumers and even the caterers, were all out of work. I don't think that was fair...but I don't think it was avoidable, either.

I mean, it's not like there wasn't going to be a replacement for Roseanne, also employing a number of writers, costumers, actors, caterers, and whatever. They may or may not be those writers etc, but on the whole it's a zero-sum game.

 

[Ryujin]

A boycott would hurt more people than intended, too. A lot of talent goes into producing a television show, and Joss Whedon isn't the only one receiving revenue every time an episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer is broadcast or streamed. Boycotting that show will reduce the revenue stream for all the people involved, and that isn't fair.

It reminds me of when Roseanne Barr tweeted herself into exile, back in 2018. As a public figure she absolutely should have known better, and she definitely deserved to be fired for it. But unfortunately, you can't have a show called Roseanne without her, and so her show was cancelled. Suddenly, all of her colleagues and costars, as well as the writers and costumers and even the caterers, were all out of work. I don't think that was fair...but I don't think it was avoidable, either.

I'm not sure what the answer is. But I think it's going to be a lot more complicated than "To Boycott, or Not To Boycott."

No, you can't have a show called "Roseanne" without her, however, you can kill off her character, offstage, and then start up a show called "The Conners" that is the same, just without Barr, and run it until now IIRC.

 

[CleverNickName]

I didn't mean to drive this discussion into the weeds regarding Roseanne. My point was that any attempts to boycott Joss Whedon's work will unavoidably affect others...others who might not deserve to be punished for Whedon's abuse. Thus, "boycott Joss Whedon" isn't an ideal solution.

 

[Parmandur]

I didn't mean to drive this discussion into the weeds regarding Roseanne. My point was that any attempts to boycott Joss Whedon's work will unavoidably affect others...others who might not deserve to be punished for Whedon's abuse. Thus, "boycott Joss Whedon" isn't an ideal solution.

However, others in Hollywood have stopped working with him, so it's not really a going concern.

 

[Zardnaar]

Is he getting work at all?

 

[CleverNickName]

Is he getting work at all?

No, I don't think so. The interview implied that he hasn't worked since 2020, and his involvement (and name) has been scrubbed from projects that were still in production at that time.

I'm curious about the completed shows that are now in syndication (or streaming, or available for sale.) I wonder what kinds of royalties Joss Whedon will continue to receive from them, if any. I know very little about that side of showbusiness.

 

[MGibster]

No, you can't have a show called "Roseanne" without her, however, you can kill off her character, offstage, and then start up a show called "The Conners" that is the same, just without Barr, and run it until now IIRC.

Some of you might remember the Valerie Harper vehicle Valerie which became The Hogan Family after she was ejected from her own show. Valerie was written off as having been killed off stage when a dispute over payment with the producers couldn't be resolved. I also remember an interview with Tim Allen in the 90s, maybe it was on Howard Stern, and they asked him his opinions on legalizing drugs. He said something along the lines of, "I can't really answer that question. I have a lot of people who depend on me for their livelihood and if I say something ABC doesn't like it doesn't just affect me."

Personally, Whedon's behavior isn't enough for me to boycott anything he's touched. But if it is for other people, I'm okay with that. Nobody's obligated to watch something.

 

[Zardnaar]

No, I don't think so. The interview implied that he hasn't worked since 2020, and his involvement (and name) has been scrubbed from projects that were still in production at that time.

I'm curious about the completed shows that are now in syndication (or streaming, or available for sale.) I wonder what kinds of royalties Joss Whedon will continue to receive from them, if any. I know very little about that side of showbusiness.

He should still get whatever his contract says. Even if they stopped streaming it they may have to pay him regardless.