Echohawk
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Pish! Us Southern Hemispherers know which side of the planet really knows best.But I guess we can chalk it up to "Westerners know better than anyone else" and ignore people that actually live in other countries.
Pish! Us Southern Hemispherers know which side of the planet really knows best.But I guess we can chalk it up to "Westerners know better than anyone else" and ignore people that actually live in other countries.
I'm from the South not the West. Australia to be precise. Turkey is closer to Western Europe than I am."Could." It could rain frogs, too.
See, here you are still talking like you know Turkey and its politics better than the actual Turkish person who is saying that worst-case-scenario is all very unlikely. But I guess we can chalk it up to "Westerners know better than anyone else" and ignore people that actually live in other countries.
Murat has watched for years as LGBT people who face persecution in the Middle East have found refuge in his cosmopolitan neighbourhood of Istanbul.
Today, in the face of growing government hostility and vitriol from Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan towards lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people, the young gay man says he has just one wish: to leave.
"Before, there would be a wave of hatred and then it would calm down," said the 30-year-old computer engineer, his eyes piercing through a haze of cigarette smoke.
"Now, it's been going on for months, turning into a tsunami."
Targeted by Erdogan, Turkey's LGBT community face 'tsunami of hate' - France 24The immediate cause of Erdogan's fury was a student artwork depicting Islam's holiest site in Mecca draped in the LGBT rainbow flag.
Interior Minister Suleyman Soylu reported the arrest of "four LGBT freaks" over the display, condemning the "degenerates" in Twitter posts that got flagged for "hateful conduct".
Erdogan later told his female supporters not to listen to "those lesbians", adding there was "no such thing" as the LGBT movement in Turkey.
"It's a hate campaign" aimed at discrediting the student protests, said Can Candan, a documentary filmmaker and professor at Bogazici University.
The top Turkish institution has been spearheading the protests after Erdogan appointed a loyalist as its rector at the start of the year.
The controversial artwork prompted officials to shut down Bogazici's LGBT club, where Candan was a faculty adviser.
While there are no official figures, Turkey has slid down the LGBT rights index published by the International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans and Intersex Association (ILGA).
Last year, Netflix cancelled the production of a Turkish series featuring a gay character after failing to win the government's permission to film.
In June, the French sporting goods retailer Decathlon became the target of Turkish media boycott campaign, after saying it stood in solidarity with the LGBT community.
And in April, Erdogan rallied to the defence of a top religious affairs official who linked homosexuality to the spread of diseases, amid the coronavirus pandemic.
And this outlines the problem inherent to the system. They are legally required to be scumbags. All publicly held companies are. They're not good guys. They're not your friend. They're not worthy of defense when they do scummy things.The Director of the company has fiduciary obligations to the shareholders. He cant take any course of action that breaches that obligation.
I was unaware that the DnDBeyond pride dice used Islamic holy places. Now I amArtwork depicting the rainbow flag in Mecca, prompted hate speech from the President, and the shutting down of a LGBTI club.
And again, totally relevant to this discussion:
I was unaware that the DnDBeyond pride dice used Islamic holy places. Now I am
We know with certainty that rainbow iconography that doesn't include religious iconography is permitted. There's a list of companies that have done so.Please don't be snarky. You focus on how the analogy is not perfect, but miss the point - some places can still be extremely intolerant, and that can have repercussions on people who try to put good messages out.
Then we should stop doing business with those places instead of saying 'well we exist to make money, so it's okay to work with bigots and murderers'.Please don't be snarky. You focus on how the analogy is not perfect, but miss the point - some places can still be extremely intolerant, and that can have repercussions on people who try to put good messages out.
Bringing up religious iconography is not honest debate. It is a false pretense.