D&D and the rising pandemic

[LuisCarlos17f]

In the name of the prudence and good sense, the scientific and rational mind has to allow doubts. If we don't allow other to have a different opinion, then it can't be science.

Maybe I have read too many conspirancy theories, but we shouldn't trust all said by the main media and pharmaceutic megacorporations. If there is a lot of money in this business, then you can't trust everybody going to say the complete truth.

 

[Mannahnin]

In the name of the prudence and good sense, the scientific and rational mind has to allow doubts. If we don't allow other to have a different opinion, then it can't be science.

Maybe I have read too many conspirancy theories, but we shouldn't trust all said by the main media and pharmaceutic megacorporations. If there is a lot of money in this business, then you can't trust everybody going to say the complete truth.

In general, vaccines are not nearly as profitable as other things pharma companies make. This rationale for distrust is superficially plausible but not credible on closer look.

 

[Bedrockgames]

I just recovered from a case of Covid. I was vaccinated twice last year but didnt get the booster because I reacted pretty strongly to the vaccines. But I think I will get the booster this time around as it got pretty bad this time (didn't go to the hospital or anything but felt like I was getting a little too close to that level).

 

[Bedrockgames]

In general, vaccines are not nearly as profitable as other things pharma companies make. This rationale for distrust is superficially plausible but not credible on closer look.

I'm all for vaccines but very wary of pharmaceutical companies even when the drugs they are marketing are life saving because these are profit driven companies and it is the industry that pretty much caused the present opioid pandemic. So I think you can be critical, even cautious and wary of vaccines, without being deep into conspiracies or anti-vaccine.

 

[Mannahnin]

I'm all for vaccines but very wary of pharmaceutical companies even when the drugs they are marketing are life saving because these are profit driven companies and it is the industry that pretty much caused the present opioid pandemic. So I think you can be critical, even cautious and wary of vaccines, without being deep into conspiracies or anti-vaccine.

Again, the profit explanation is implausible for vaccines. They're not nearly as profitable as other drugs.

 

[Umbran]

In the name of the prudence and good sense, the scientific and rational mind has to allow doubts. If we don't allow other to have a different opinion, then it can't be science.

Science says: "You have an opinion? Go get some data, and then we can talk." Science is not interested in unsupported opinions.

 

[Bedrockgames]

Again, the profit explanation is implausible for vaccines. They're not nearly as profitable as other drugs.

I don't know how much they make versus other types of drugs, and again I am not anti-vaccine, but the new york times reported that Pfizer had made 3.5 billion in the first three months of 2021 (in an article from that year), and the Guardian reported that they had made 37 Billion off it in a 2022 article (and even mentioned they were accused of profiteering off the illness). I think this is worth considering when a number of other companies chose not to make profit off the vaccines they produced.

Again, I am absolutely not anti-vaccine but you are talking about an industry that has regularly jacked up prices of drugs to boost profits (including stuff like inhalers and epipens). They've also at times taken drugs off the market that are life saving because they were not cost effective to produce. And it is an industry with a history of misleading the public, of buying politicians and of having an overly cozy relationship with the physicians who prescribe their medications. I believe in science and in modern medicine, as I am a beneficiary of modern medical treatments (I would not be alive without them). But we can be wary of an industry that is profit driven and has a shady history, even as they are making vaccines that help prevent severe cases of covid.

 

[Umbran]

Again, the profit explanation is implausible for vaccines. They're not nearly as profitable as other drugs.

Um... don't tell Moderna that.
In 2019, Moderna operated at a net loss of $512 million.
In 2020, Moderna has a net loss of $747 million
In 2021, Moderna has had a net income of about $12 billion.

That said, there is a ton of data showing that their vaccines are safe and effective. That income change is due to being able to come up with the right medicine at the right time when all 300 million of us needed it, without needing to lie, or even gouge on the price.

 

[Mannahnin]

Um... don't tell Moderna that.
In 2019, Moderna operated at a net loss of $512 million.
In 2020, Moderna has a net loss of $747 million
In 2021, Moderna has had a net income of about $12 billion.

That said, there is a ton of data showing that their vaccines are safe and effective. That income change is due to being able to come up with the right medicine at the right time when all 300 million of us needed it, without needing to lie, or even gouge on the price.

The general rule is still accurate. The fact that these particular vaccines had emergency funding to develop, produce, and distribute them as quickly as possible made them more profitable than is normally the case, and their sales base vastly larger. The idea that they're created for profit and therefore suspect remains conspiritorial nonsense.

 

[Umbran]

, but the new york times reported that they had made 3.5 billion in the first three months of 2021

Be specific. Who is "they"?

(in an article from that year), and the Guardian reported that they had made 37 Billion off it in a 2022 article (and even mentioned they were accused of profiteering off the illness). I think this is worth considering when a number of other companies chose not to make profit off the vaccines they produced.

So now it is an unspecified "they" vs unspecified "number of other companies".

Need we mention that there aren't many companies who got emergency use authorization for their vaccines? They cannot "choose" to not make profit if they aren't legally allowed to offer their vaccine on the market.