D&D Movie/TV D&D Movie Hit or Flop?

[CommodoreKong]

Warner lost money with first Tim Burton's movie because they spent too much in the marketing, but the cartoon show was produced, and here they started to earn a lot in the animated version of DC superheroes. My niece would rather superheroes more focused into comedy.

Are you talking about Batman 89? That had a $48 million budget and made $411 million worldwide, it certainly made money for Warner.

It did also revitalize the Batman brand with the public which WB has been benefiting from for decades.

 

[nevin]

I actually backed up the digital downloads and streaming information with evidence.

Mario is better on Amazon in the US, usually but not always. Honor Among Thieves is better on iTunes and Google worldwide.

Mario on iTunes
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Honor Among Thieves
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The data has all been linked and shared. This is for digital and physical products only, and not for streaming.

Mario isn't streaming. So talking about its streaming take is silly.

Wild speculation with unsupported statements and assertions isn't "Taking me down." It's just speculation and assertion.

Links, to raw data is evidence. And the evidence shows that globally Honor Among Thieves is doing quite well as a digital product, better than Air, better than Mario.

Is it enough? I don't know. I haven't claimed it is.


Right. That's clear. But the opening sentence of the topic started by you was about overall financial success, not just the box office. Pointing out the successes on streaming and digital are indicators. They're a way to crack through the veil that modern companies put up to block knowledge. But they're also modern, not a pre-pandemic measure with less relevance. It's not like the MCU is dead because it had three bad movies, or the DCU is dead because it had 12 bad movies.

Companies keep making franchise movies for a reason, and it's not because of a pre 2020 box office algorithm

Unfortunately unless you are talking about netflix, amazon, or Hulu all the other studios that make money don't care about the long term. They only care that the movie makes an initial big bloom of money. There are many reasons for this but the two big ones are the stock market and the fact that all that digital money gets split among a lot of people in rev sharing agreements, acter/staff payouts on every view etc. I don't disagree that many flops are in the long run very profitable but Hollywood is one of the shortest term thinkers in all of business.

As I said earlier 2023 was a terri-bad year for hollywood movies and 2022 was worse. on top of that the Writers strike is happening at peak leverage time and will cut thier revenue even more as they fight for more of the digital revenue that isn't always included in the viewing dollars that standard movies are. Sometimes when everything sucks movies that didn't do so well get a second chance. There's a lot of suckage this year and last and Honor among thieves may just be so small no one but Hasbro pays attention to all the details that will decide what happens long term.

 

[nevin]

Are you talking about Batman 89? That had a $48 million budget and made $411 million worldwide, it certainly made money for Warner.

It did also revitalize the Batman brand with the public which WB has been benefiting from for decades.

remember Hollywood pretty much only cares about one thing. DID it make more in american release to theatres than they spent. If not they consider it a flop. Even if it does go on and make a ton of money after they consider that a flop that they got lucky on.

 

[bedir than]

Unfortunately unless you are talking about netflix, amazon, or Hulu all the other studios that make money don't care about the long term.

This was true in 2019, when basically there were zero other streaming options. That's no longer true.
Paramount Global absolutely 100% cares about Paramount+ and Showtime, because their ad-based revenue for linear is dying off whereas their revenue for FAST and conventional streaming is going up.

Movie studios are further integrating into the full corporate structure, rather than being this boutique thing that exists as a four-week hope and pray mission.

Also, the writer's strike will help recent content that is available on streaming as it is starting to compete with nothing (new stuff is starting to peter out already).

 

[mamba]

but this is money to make a holywood studio happy. What is Hasbro"s happy point.

the same, for their share of the costs. Hasbro does not make movies to lose money.

They (just like the studio) are not limited to box office income however, so it is not easy to figure out when / whether they reached their numbers

 

[nevin]

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the same, for their share of the costs. Hasbro does not make movies to lose money.

They (just like the studio) are not limited to box office income however, so it is not easy to figure out when / whether they reached their numbers

Ok did Hasbro put any skin in the game or just get paid for the IP rights? I havent been able to find an answer that question online.

 

[mamba]

Ok did Hasbro put any skin in the game or just get paid for the IP rights? I havent been able to find an answer that question online.

they financed part of the movie, I think 50% of the movie cost and an unknown amount for advertising. In return they get the box office in some places and probably whatever marketing benefits / figure sales etc. it generates

 

[Reef]

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Ok did Hasbro put any skin in the game or just get paid for the IP rights? I havent been able to find an answer that question online.

Hasbro put up a large chunk of the budget. I don’t remember the exact figure right now, but it was a t least half.

 

[nevin]

This was true in 2019, when basically there were zero other streaming options. That's no longer true.
Paramount Global absolutely 100% cares about Paramount+ and Showtime, because their ad-based revenue for linear is dying off whereas their revenue for FAST and conventional streaming is going up.

Movie studios are further integrating into the full corporate structure, rather than being this boutique thing that exists as a four-week hope and pray mission.

Also, the writer's strike will help recent content that is available on streaming as it is starting to compete with nothing (new stuff is starting to peter out already).

No that's not true. All the old agreements are still in force with relation to each seperate movie or tv series per season.

this is why so much content is going away from streaming services. Some shows have to pay fees to a large number of people every viewing. IT get's more common and higher amounts with shows that had a popular run. Disney has less than 30 percent of the vault in thier streaming service. Both Netflix and Amazon have started playing Hijinx's with thier search engines trying to push people to more profitable (for them) views. Each and every movie and annual tv series has it own contract with it's own stipulations for what happens when it's viewed.

The entire writer's strike issue boils down to streaming services have been arguing those agreements didn't negotiate streaming views so they don't count. This is why the strike is such a big deal to both sides. The writers should win and if they do expect even more streaming content to go away.

Amazon Streaming, Netflix, disney, and Hulu have been running themselves like Silicon Valley Startups and thier top shows often have nothing to do with eyeballs viewing the content and more about getting the right buzz so people invest. That's all Drying up and now they have to start making money to keep their investor's happy. The last time Hollywood jacked with thier viewer model they helped run Blockbuster out of business to make the point they were the big dog. Then to their horror Target, Amazon, and Walmart started selling DVD's of new release movies as loss leaders to get people into the store and drove the price of new release DVD's down.

they are already starting to moan and whine about how good Cable TV was and how they wish they'd never invested in Streaming because the profit margins are razor thin. I suspect the HBO MAX and DISNEY, HULU, ESPN mergers are just the beginning. We'll end up with two or three streaming services that may eventually end up simply being streaming version's of lower profit Cable companies.

 

[nevin]

Hasbro put up a large chunk of the budget. I don’t remember the exact figure right now, but it was a t least half.

Then if they were also on hook for part of marketing they definitely lost money.