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D&D 5E New and Different Dragons! Forest/Green Dragon!

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
HI! I don't like DND's dragons, and as a result I rarely use them. Rather than just ignoring dragons, going forward, I'd love to come up with some new dragons and stat them out.

So, here are my goals, and I'd love the thoughts of anyone who likes and or shares those goals.

  • Make dragons more magical, and more mythic. Even a young dragon should be a weird and scary encounter.
  • Fill the roll of lesser dragons with...lesser dragons, not just younger dragons. Upgrade drakes to something more like a dragon that is mostly just a beast, and fill out some more CRs with different drakes and wyverns.
  • Use more interesting starting points for designing a dragon than color and metal type, espeically things like enviroment and association (eg, forest dragon or fey dragon)
  • Make ancient wyrms akin to demigods, and more varied in what makes them scary. Some might be truly gigantic (double or triple the size of current dragons) while others might be super-fast and have flyby and a lot of attacks of different kinds, while others are basically powerful wizards with a lot of HP, etc. Dragons become less and less mortal, less and less natural, as they age?
So, with all that in mind, how do we build a Forest Dragon? I'll start with some basic ideas, and see what y'all think

  • Fey associations, but also druidic inspiration. Some of these are druids. An ancient tree might morph into an ancient druidic green dragon when you try to destroy an ancient druidic grove, while another forest dragon might fill the roll of an archfey, and another might simply be a reclusive forest hermit.
  • Command of nature. natural casting of things like spike growth and plant growth and the ability to awaken trees? tree stride? Ability to hide when lightly obscured by fog/mist or natural cover like plantlife combined with a sneak attack feature (ambush predator).
  • Can fly, but prefers to stay within the treeline.
  • Enviromental effects include trees and animals growing to unusual size?
  • Moss growth on the dragon? Vines that grab at melee attackers as a reaction?
  • Speaks sylvan and can speak with beasts and plants in a manner similar to speak with plants, where greater sentience is temporarily bestowed on them? Hell, maybe animals and plants within a forest dragon's domain are just smarter, and can often speak?

What do you think?
What differences should there be between a young forest dragon and an ancient wyrm?

Other planned dragons:
Swamp Dragon
Coastal/Island Dragons
Arctic Dragon
Shadow Dragon
A dragon/drake type that is more like dragonriders of pern dragons.
 

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dave2008

Legend
Great idea (though I like the standard D&D dragons too), but are you looking for descriptive ideas or stat block ideas or images or all 3!

Personally I add some of that flavor to my D&D dragons, so that:

Black = swamp
Blue = sky (not desert per their lore)
Green = forest
Red = mountain
White = arctic

I then give them spells, traits, and abilities that reflect those general regions. I discussed some of my ideas and some idea images over here: Interested in new dragon designs?
 

For a forest dragon, I would almost want to go full linnorn, with the wings almost vestigial*. I picture a really smart version of Kaa from the Jungle Book, camouflaged up to the end. I know everyone likes the damaging breath weapons, but some kind of fear or confusion gas (especially if it was colorless, but had some kind of slightly distinct smell so someone with a high wisdom might catch it in time to cast some kind of wind spell to blow it away) would work better for the Dragon King of Bug Hunts.

* I think that one of the unique 2e Linnorns usually ambushed people by looking like a fallen tree. I think it was something like the Corpse Tearer or something like that, but I have old DM memory, so don't hold me to that. If I did remember correctly, you might find some ideas to pillage.
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
Great idea (though I like the standard D&D dragons too), but are you looking for descriptive ideas or stat block ideas or images or all 3!

Personally I add some of that flavor to my D&D dragons, so that:

Black = swamp
Blue = sky (not desert per their lore)
Green = forest
Red = mountain
White = arctic

I then give them spells, traits, and abilities that reflect those general regions. I discussed some of my ideas and some idea images over here: Interested in new dragon designs?
For a forest dragon, I would almost want to go full linnorn, with the wings almost vestigial*. I picture a really smart version of Kaa from the Jungle Book, camouflaged up to the end. I know everyone likes the damaging breath weapons, but some kind of fear or confusion gas (especially if it was colorless, but had some kind of slightly distinct smell so someone with a high wisdom might catch it in time to cast some kind of wind spell to blow it away) would work better for the Dragon King of Bug Hunts.

* I think that one of the unique 2e Linnorns usually ambushed people by looking like a fallen tree. I think it was something like the Corpse Tearer or something like that, but I have old DM memory, so don't hold me to that. If I did remember correctly, you might find some ideas to pillage.
I’ll check those all out, thanks guys.

I do like it when dragons are more environmental, but I just for whatever reason find the chromatic dragons especially pretty boring.

For the forest dragon, if anyone has played Legend of Dragoon, the green dragon in that looks kinda bug-like, and doesn’t fly. Could work. Definitely camouflage.

I love the idea of a confusion gas. Especially if it makes the victim wander randomly through the dense woods, likely getting lost.
 

Bitbrain

Lost in Dark Sun
Pathfinder 1e had a Forest-type Imperial Dragon called a Dilung.

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They were CE, and inhabited temperate forests. Interestingly, a Dilung Forest Dragon lacked a true breath weapon, so instead would crush rocks in its mouth and then expel the fragments as a kind of “Shrapnel Breath”.

At Young age, it could cast pass without trace at will.
By Adult age it could also cast entangle and blight at will.
Ancient Dilungs could also cast tree stride, awaken plants, and had this ability to summon Earth Elementals inside their breath weapon AoE.
Great Wyrms could petrify creatures they dropped to 0 hp with their “shrapnel breath”.
 

I sympathize. D&D dragon chassis are pretty nice, but they do get overused. I am not so fond of flying swamp and forest dragons. For swamp, I would want some kind of super melee monster like the dragon version of the lovechild of an alligator and a snapping turtle. I have had bearded dragons for a couple of years (one at a time, they aren't social), and that colors how I would do a desert dragon, even though I know "fly by breath weapon" makes a lot of sense in a desert with little cover.
 

Tales and Chronicles

Jewel of the North, formerly know as vincegetorix
I know we are talking about the green/forest dragon here, but for further discussions, I my version of the Deep/underground dragon my FR isnt a dragon-that-is-purple-because-psionics/underdark. It has psionic powers (mostly sight based since its blind) and its.....a dragon-mole!

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I'll post later for the gree/forest. Be right back.
 

Tales and Chronicles

Jewel of the North, formerly know as vincegetorix
Ok, for the green one, I do not like associating dragon and trees: to me dragons are a force of destruction/agressivity and forests are associated with creation and peace. I'm ok with dragon associated with ''nature'' though. I have in mind a mantis-like dragon, or maybe a dragon-flytrap. They are both associated with a darker side of nature and the forest world.

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in the case of the flytrap dragon, I think KP's Tome of Beast has a three-headed one starting with a Z or something.
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
I sympathize. D&D dragon chassis are pretty nice, but they do get overused. I am not so fond of flying swamp and forest dragons. For swamp, I would want some kind of super melee monster like the dragon version of the lovechild of an alligator and a snapping turtle. I have had bearded dragons for a couple of years (one at a time, they aren't social), and that colors how I would do a desert dragon, even though I know "fly by breath weapon" makes a lot of sense in a desert with little cover.
Fly by breath weapon makes sense, but so does a sand burrowing ambusher! Imagine a bus sized creature letting you get on top of it before it strikes!
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
Ok, for the green one, I do not like associating dragon and trees: to me dragons are a force of destruction/agressivity and forests are associated with creation and peace. I'm ok with dragon associated with ''nature'' though. I have in mind a mantis-like dragon, or maybe a dragon-flytrap. They are both associated with a darker side of nature and the forest world.

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in the case of the flytrap dragon, I think KP's Tome of Beast has a three-headed one starting with a Z or something.
That first one reminds of the green dragon in legend of dragoon!
 

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