D&D General One thing I hate about the Sorcerer

Remathilis

Legend
Personally? I'd prefer classes not to have any supernatural abilities unless they're a spell caster. Receive their special supernatural power through the course of play or not at all.
I think the only way you get that is to return to the concept of dead levels. It's impossible to fill 20 levels with class features without tapping into supernatural looking abilities. But that play style died in the 90s.
 

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Raiztt

Adventurer
I think the only way you get that is to return to the concept of dead levels. It's impossible to fill 20 levels with class features without tapping into supernatural looking abilities. But that play style died in the 90s.
I don't mind semi-dead levels, and I also would like to see levels after 10th no longer add hit dice.
 

Remathilis

Legend
Im not sure I'm ready to elevate what is essentially road rage to being born with a special destiny or having an innate supernatural boon.
Would you allow any character, regardless of class, to access barbarian rage if there was a sufficiently triggering reason?

If not, it's more than just road rage.
 

Raiztt

Adventurer
Would you allow any character, regardless of class, to access barbarian rage if there was a sufficiently triggering reason?

If not, it's more than just road rage.
Maybe? Depending on the circumstances? But I still wouldn't consider it a supernatural type of 'special' as much as one born out of a specific culture.
 

Would you allow any character, regardless of class, to access barbarian rage if there was a sufficiently triggering reason?

If not, it's more than just road rage.
It is, but I don't think it is "born special." It is heightened fantasy version of berserker rage which was a real thing. Some people can just do it. It is probably something one can learn given right conditions.
 

DEFCON 1

Legend
Supporter
Can't we all agree on one thing?

- Wizards of the Coast will never write things explicitly in the book that make you happy. You will have to presume what you want out of the rules themselves.

(And yes, I wrote it that ambivalently because it applies to almost every single one of us in some form or fashion at one time or another, LOL.)
 

James Gasik

We don't talk about Pun-Pun
Supporter
I wouldn't say that they're "highly skilled professionals." In my book a first level paladin is probably some sort of a squire or a neophyte or equivalent. They don't even take their oath till third level, which is where I'd say they would become something equivalent of a knight.
And that 3rd level subclass thing comes up again. Paladins get their powers from their Oath. Paladins don't take their Oath until level 3. So where did the level 1 and 2 powers come from?
 

And that 3rd level subclass thing comes up again. Paladins get their powers from their Oath. Paladins don't take their Oath until level 3. So where did the level 1 and 2 powers come from?
🤷 A god? They take a preliminary pledge before the oath? Yeah, it is a bit weird. In my setting this is not a problem as the paladins are directly connected to temples, thus their power ultimately comes from the deities, similar to the clerics. The oath is just a promise to do certain things in the god's name, not literally the source of their power in itself.
 

CreamCloud0

One day, I hope to actually play DnD.
Would you allow any character, regardless of class, to access barbarian rage if there was a sufficiently triggering reason?

If not, it's more than just road rage.
would you allow any character, regardless of class, to access rogue sneak attack if there was a sufficiently opportunistic moment? or fighter's second wind if they have enough willpower?

these abilities don't need to be supernatural to still be class exclusive.
 

James Gasik

We don't talk about Pun-Pun
Supporter
🤷 A god? They take a preliminary pledge before the oath? Yeah, it is a bit weird. In my setting this is not a problem as the paladins are directly connected to temples, thus their power ultimately comes from the deities, similar to the clerics. The oath is just a promise to do certain things in the god's name, not literally the source of their power in itself.
If the Paladin was still tied to a religion, this would make sense. But while we still have Paladins who devote themselves to a faith, as near as I can tell, they don't need to.
 

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