I don't think that is particularly true anymore. Even here people are coming around to 4E's strengths, and Matt Coville actively (and loudly) embracing those strengths for years has gone a long way to getting new players to appreciate it.
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D&D 5E Why is There No Warlord Equivalent in 5E?
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Mirrorrorrim
Hero
My first 4E character was a Warlord and I enjoyed it for the mechanics. But the problem, narratively, was that the "combat squad commander" concept, and all the abilities that come with it, were now limited to a specific class (that also had a very unpopular name, and some narratives where controversial because people defined HP/meat differently). I felt that ANY class could and perhaps should have those leader options. For instance, I think that Fighter Bannerets, Paladin Commanders, Barbarian Thanes, Ranger Lords, and Mastermind Rogues are all valid squad leader concepts that deserve to opt in to such abilities.
I don't want just one "Warlord" class anymore. I liked the things it had, but the concept didn't deserve exclusive access to those things.
I was a fan of breaking up the Warlord into component parts that multiple classes could choose from, like with a more broad Combat Maneuver subsystem and Feats. We got some of them in 5E, but I wanted them to be more broadly available.
My second preference would be to have Commander-themed subclasses for each class that allow you to pick and choose some Leader abilities from a list of options.
I don't want just one "Warlord" class anymore. I liked the things it had, but the concept didn't deserve exclusive access to those things.
I was a fan of breaking up the Warlord into component parts that multiple classes could choose from, like with a more broad Combat Maneuver subsystem and Feats. We got some of them in 5E, but I wanted them to be more broadly available.
My second preference would be to have Commander-themed subclasses for each class that allow you to pick and choose some Leader abilities from a list of options.
Undrave
Legend
Aragorn should be a Warlord with a Ranger-like subclass.
UngeheuerLich
Legend
I have long been a fan of combining the two classes. We don't need another swing a sword class.
And then add a class that is something like a spellless bard and sneakattackless rogue. Using auras to enhance those around them and use their words to rearrange the battlefield.
Or rousing speeches shouldn't be limited to a class at all.
CreamCloud0
One day, I hope to actually play DnD.
maybe a fraction of one, but it's not miles away from the truth
it's really not that complicated, your suggestion is giving them the bones of the right abilities but it's massively lacking the proper scale and nuance for playing them, like i said, medicine, religion and magic initiate does not a cleric make, exactly the same way lending an attack per turn and giving your second wind does not a warlord make.
you're stating it yourself that 'you don't see the concept' so of course any warlord you would design will fall massively short for anyone who actually likes the concept.
Undrave
Legend
That's a strong point,
But I would counter with this: We have Arcana Clerics, Eldritch Knights, Arcane Tricksters... but we STILL have a Wizard! There's Swordmages and War Clerics but still we have Fighters. The way I see it, the Battlemaster is to the Warlord should be what the Eldritch Knight is to the Wizard. It's a 'multiclass style' subclass. If the maneuver system was fleshed out it would be possible to have those two options side by side.
Alzrius
The EN World kitten
Eh, dude spent decades tromping about the wilderness, and then gives one or two speeches right at the end of his military career. I say ranger with a warlord-like subclass.
UngeheuerLich
Legend
No. I'd just add the abilities needed to the fighter. Why need another guy with a sword?
Mirrorrorrim
Hero
A Ranger Lord. Sounds like an advanced Ranger, leader of men, old-D&D style.Eh, dude spent decades tromping about the wilderness, and then gives one or two speeches right at the end of his military career. I say ranger with a warlord-like subclass.
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