It's not nonsense. That's what they said.
WOTC is not committed to maximizing profit.
WOTC is not committed to maximizing the profit they can make out of the minimum effort.
That's why half their books are full of waste.
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D&D 5E Why is There No Warlord Equivalent in 5E?
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WOTC is not committed to maximizing profit.
WOTC is not committed to maximizing the profit they can make out of the minimum effort.
That's why half their books are full of waste.
Paul Farquhar
Legend
Corporations are like politicians, they are professional liars.
They follow profits*, that's all. That is their purpose for existing. If telling a lie helps increase profits that's what they do.
*Net profit, not gross profit. That means also minimising expenditure.
CreamCloud0
One day, I hope to actually play DnD.
who says doing that has to be anti-warlord? or that they're specifically replicating abilities to buff themselves? imagine being able to replicate a paladin's aura, or maintain concentration on a second wizard's haste?
but a warlord is also about tactics, and who's to say the most tactical thing right now for the benefit of everyone isn't to buff yourself have a second person raging on the field right now, or to drop a moon druid's bear wildshape on yourself.
Maximizing profits does not mean creating the best product or providing the customer base with the product they desire.
I work in corporate sales. The stuff I say ever day. The stuff I said 15 minutes ago.
FrogReaver
As long as i get to be the frog
One of the biggest issues with a 5e warlord isn’t the concept itself but the insistence of the specific mechanic of attack granting or at will attack granting.
In 4e attack grants theoretically worked because basic attacks were theoretically designed to be about the same effectiveness (in practice things like frost cheese could change that a bit).
In 5e though there is no basic attack and attacks are all over the place in terms of power. Anything from like d8+3 to 3d6+5 to 4d6+5 and that’s just with single pc self buff spells and no magic items or rogues.
Usually I see warlord discussions end on this question - how to handle and balance attack granting.
In 4e attack grants theoretically worked because basic attacks were theoretically designed to be about the same effectiveness (in practice things like frost cheese could change that a bit).
In 5e though there is no basic attack and attacks are all over the place in terms of power. Anything from like d8+3 to 3d6+5 to 4d6+5 and that’s just with single pc self buff spells and no magic items or rogues.
Usually I see warlord discussions end on this question - how to handle and balance attack granting.
UngeheuerLich
Legend
I am not sure if I want such things gated behind feats. But I'd like to see what you design there.
Remathilis
Legend
I was just being cheeky. That said, I could see issues when the warlord is trying to play the meta and demanding others play certain classes to get maximum benefit for themselves. It's small, but a non-zero chance.
mellored
Legend
Same with Pathfinder 2.
Everyone gets a standardized scaling "basic attack". Even a level 20 wizards could swing a dagger and expect small but noticeable damage.
But in 5e, you have rogues scaling with sneak attack, fighter scaling with multi-attack, casters scaling with cantrips, warlock scaling with Eldritch Blast, all sorts of options for the moon druid.... And even if you just granted an action, the playtest monks sort of scale with their bonus action.
I'm not suggesting it's impossible. But it's complicated.
Micah Sweet
Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
To be fair, the concept does seem to work much better from an in-universe standpoint with henchmen. The main exception I can think of is Captain America.
Are all warlords Captain America? Huh...
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