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Well the only thing I can say would be wrong with honest discussion is the premise of the post in the first place. A person, who is very pro-4E creates a thread for other people who are pro-4e to discuss what they *LIKE* about 4e. A non-4e person comes in, and in the spirit of honest discussion...

This is pretty much what I was talking about. I have seen it happen (both ways mind you) where someone creates a post "List all the things you like about 4E" or "List all the things you dislike about 4E"and midway there is a threadjack by someone who is rabidly pro/anti 4E. I know enough to...

Hmm...so you are saying that the OP just made up his complaints then? I believe I acknowledged just that fact when I said: Could you please point out where in my post I assigned motives to anyone? Again, as I said above I am *NOT* in the camp that says to pick up your toys to go home and...

First off, this isn't directed right at you, but is more a general comment. I'm not in the camp that says if you don't like it pick up your toys and go home. Healthy discussion is a great thing. If you have an open mind and are waiting to see more to make up your mind, that's great, and...

Uhm...the same way you do for a Barbarian's rage being limited to a certain number of times a day. Why can't a Barbarian get good and cheesed off more often? maybe his body just can't handle it or any number of other reasons which could apply to martial characters abilities in 4E.

Uhm...wow....just...wow...

Over on AICN one of their writers Massawyrm has been a playtester and wrote a review on his experiences http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35776

And if that type of play is what you and your players want, then you just ignore the extra races. The problem comes from when you want one thing and your players want something else. You are the DM, if you don't wanna use that other stuff, it's your game. But then you have to decide whether or...

I think what you need to look at is that bolded section. If your players are clamoring for something you don't want to give, there are three choices: 1) Do the same as you do now and get the long faces and just tough it out 2) Get new players - the ones you have must not fit with your game...

Maybe it's less having trouble with the class as opposed to players. As in the fighter player thinks he should be doing this and the ranger and rogue are doing their own thing which is causing problems and that discussion he mentioned.

I have been running in a campaign with a friend that started years before his son was born. That same son is now in his second year of college learning to be a forensic pathologist. With the exception of a Christmas break we have been playing 1-2 times a week for 25+ years. We have multiple DMs...

And how do you know dragons weren't hit by the Spellplague? There has been nothing stating that they were not. Their numbers may have dwindled quite a bit, we don't know. But if anyone or anything is going to come out on top by being smart and strong enough to adapt to a new world, it's gonna be...

Just...wow. So, you accuse 4E of being like a system that you've never actually read, that you admit that you've heard conflicting stories about, and we are supposed to take that line of reasoning as being something solid and well-reasoned??? Cause if you just "suggest" it you get confusion...

Actually, you hit the nail on the head. They WERE too close to the Tolkien archtype, so much that the Tolkien estate got mad and threatened legal action: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halfling This in turn lead to TSR and WoTC moving halflings further and futher away from hobbits.

You ever see the show Reaper? It's about a kid, who when he came of age found out that his parents had sold his soul to the devil and basically becomes the Devil's bounty hunter. Now he could have just embraced this and became evil, instead he does what the Devil wants him to do, but Is still a...

As I have been told before, the word I was looking for is a Plurality, not Majority, you are correct. I do like Tactician.

Ok, that point makes sense. I'm one of the people it really doesn't matter to. I also played in 1 E a Veteran. Of course, he was a fresh faced 18 year old Human Fighter,l but always assumed that it was a metagaming thing, he wouldn't call himself that in-game. By the same token, just because...

Hmm...weird...if you go here http://www.enworld.org/index.php?page=4e , the main Unofficial Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition Info Page you see the poll started by Morrus - here is the link for the discussion on that poll http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=210411 and just so you can see what...

Personally, I don't like and will probably never use quest cards either. Of course, they aren't something that you have to use, it was presented as an idea that people could use in their game to make it better. I don't belive that it was stated that quest cards would be in the official rules...

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