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WereWorg
- Thread starter Allensh
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Primitive Screwhead
First Post
Depends on which Lyncathrope template you are refering to...Core WOTC stuff limits Lycanthropes to base creatures of Humanoid and the template is based off of animal forms.
Sean Reynolds 'Curse of the Moon' specifically lists Worg as an alternative...
Key note however, Sean takes a different road than most in designing his templates.. a better one IMHO. His version allows burning a feat on 'Lycanthrope Freak' to become a variant Lycanthrope based off of such things like the Worg, Basilisks, Hydra.. and other fun critters.
Sean Reynolds 'Curse of the Moon' specifically lists Worg as an alternative...
Key note however, Sean takes a different road than most in designing his templates.. a better one IMHO. His version allows burning a feat on 'Lycanthrope Freak' to become a variant Lycanthrope based off of such things like the Worg, Basilisks, Hydra.. and other fun critters.
By the SRD, no, the base animal must be of the animal type.
It shouldn't be hard to make a different template based off another creature type.
edit: Here's a shapechanger template on Wizards' site that allows change into a vermin:
What's Bugging You? Entomanthropy
It shouldn't be hard to make a different template based off another creature type.
edit: Here's a shapechanger template on Wizards' site that allows change into a vermin:
What's Bugging You? Entomanthropy
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saucercrab
Explorer
Winter werewolf you say? Dungeon #84 had an adventure with just such a creature/template in it. However, AFAICT, it's 3.0 (I think 3.5 kicked in with #103).Allensh said:
I don't have the issue in front of me, but if you want, I can dig it up later or tomorrow to see how it was done.
saucercrab said:
Figures. The 3.0 lycanthrope template is unclear on this point: it refers to
SRD 3.0 said:
All of the example base creatures, including the dire rat, are of the animal type. However the text goes on to refer to "animals and dire animals", both of which are animals, so if "some type of animal" actually meant the animal type, that text would be redundant. A case could be made that the 3.0 template can be applied to any predator of the required size whether it is of the animal type or not.
saucercrab
Explorer
Well, let's see what happens as I read over the template.Starglim said:
Flavor text: Blah, blah, silver hair as a humanoid, blah, blah. Have traits common to all lycanthropes, blah blah, with following changes:
Ability Scores: +4 Str, +2 Dex, +6 Con.
Special Attacks: breath weapon (15' cone of cold, 4d6 damage), Improved Bull Rush, were empathy (+4 to interact with wolves, dire, worg & winter varities), Protective Rage (if mate is badly hurt/killed, goes nuts like a barbarian), Trip. Most of these as animal/hybrid only.
Special Qualities: Cold subtype, Scent.
Skills: as humanoid, +4 racial to Listen/Search/Spot (+8 racial as animal/hybrid); as animal/hybrid, +6 Hide, +9 Listen, +7 Move Silent, +8 Spot, +1 Wild. Lore (Survival), but not racial; as animal/hybrid, +7 racial to Hide in ice & snow.
Feats: as animal/hybrid, has Alerness, Blind-Fight, Imp. Initiative, Run & Track.
Afflicted have the Control Shape skill. Natural have the Improved Control Shape feat.
(Mods, if this is too much/specific, feel free to edit/remove.)
JiCi
First Post
According to the rules, you cannot because you need an animal-type creature.Allensh said:
Technically speaking, you can bend the rules a little bit, but if you allow magical beasts for the lycanthrope template, you should increase the CR and LA by 2... at least... since magical beasts have LOTS of supernatural abilities.
saucercrab
Explorer
All magical beasts have lots of supernatural abilities?JiCi said:
frankthedm
First Post
+1 CR over normal lycantrope? Not likely, M-beasts and animals have close critera for CR. +1 or 2 CR already cover how much lycantrope bumps the base critter. There may be situations where the template synergizes well with a base magical beast enough to bump the CR up one, but worgs, owlbears and such would be abouts the same CRs as equivalent animals. And when they are not, the CR adjustment has already taken place on the base animal, like the winter wolf.JiCi said:
Unfotunately, because magical abilities vary greatly, many will have ECLs increased.
