And the mystery race is...hated

Abstraction · Nov 25, 2007

Seriously, was there any possible announcement of the mystery race that wasn't going to met with calls for drawing and quartering WOTC? So the race will be dragonborn. How bad can that be? I would have liked gnomes in my PHB, but apparently I am a minority. So I deal with it. Okay, start the endless argument about WOTC broke into your living room and ruined your game...

JoeGKushner · Nov 25, 2007

No, I think you're right.

It just seems to have struck some people, like myself, from coming out of left feild.

Although it shouldn't have with the whole dragon comet egg thing in the Grand History of the Realms made part of cannon and Paladine telling his followers to check it out.

I don't "hate" them with the burning passion of a thousand suns, but I find it interesting that on one hand WoTC is going, "Point of light" and on the other going "high fantasy" as a dragon based PC is very high fantasy.

HeavenShallBurn · Nov 25, 2007

JoeGKushner said:
but I find it interesting that on one hand WoTC is going, "Point of light" and on the other going "high fantasy" as a dragon based PC is very high fantasy.

I think you were getting "point of light" confused for a genre when it's a playstyle/campaign style. It operates on a separate axis from the high-low fantasy spectrum.

BryonD · Nov 25, 2007

HeavenShallBurn said:
I think you were getting "point of light" confused for a genre when it's a playstyle/campaign style. It operates on a separate axis from the high-low fantasy spectrum.

I agree.

You can easily have high fantasy and big "here there be monsters" uncharted lands in the same campaign.

JoeGKushner · Nov 25, 2007

BryonD said:
I agree.

You can easily have high fantasy and big "here there be monsters" uncharted lands in the same campaign.

But what if the monsters are the PCs?

In a standard 'Hyboria" clone, a group of tielfings and dragonborn aren't going to walk into a town non-chalant.

Or at least that's the way I'm seeing it.

I mean, how would these people, who are isolated, hence the whole points of light thing, know which freaky looking monstrous race not to shoot on sight?

Doug McCrae · Nov 25, 2007

JoeGKushner said:
I mean, how would these people, who are isolated, hence the whole points of light thing, know which freaky looking monstrous race not to shoot on sight?

Because it's an isolated community of humans, elves, halflings, tieflings and dragonborn.

BryonD · Nov 25, 2007

JoeGKushner said:
But what if the monsters are the PCs?

In a standard 'Hyboria" clone, a group of tielfings and dragonborn aren't going to walk into a town non-chalant.

Or at least that's the way I'm seeing it.

I mean, how would these people, who are isolated, hence the whole points of light thing, know which freaky looking monstrous race not to shoot on sight?

Can you point me to a WotC quote containing "standard Hyboria clone"?
The way I see it you can have freaky looking monstrous races in a world that has big areas of uncharted "here there be monsters". Your reply doesn't make me think that it fits any less whatsoever.

I also think that individual campaigns almost always require some degree of customization. Always have and always will. It won't be my ideal out of the box, but it doesn't have to be.

Oldtimer · Nov 25, 2007

JoeGKushner said:
In a standard 'Hyboria" clone, a group of tielfings and dragonborn aren't going to walk into a town non-chalant.

Neither would elves, dwarfs and halflings. You don't see many of those in Hyboria.

The Little Raven · Nov 25, 2007

Oldtimer said:
Neither would elves, dwarfs and halflings. You don't see many of those in Hyboria.

Word. In fact, anything but a human walking into most towns in Hyboria would most likely be met with iron and flame.

med stud · Nov 25, 2007

JoeGKushner said:
But what if the monsters are the PCs?

In a standard 'Hyboria" clone, a group of tielfings and dragonborn aren't going to walk into a town non-chalant.

Or at least that's the way I'm seeing it.

I mean, how would these people, who are isolated, hence the whole points of light thing, know which freaky looking monstrous race not to shoot on sight?

A point of light doesn't have to be a small village, it could also be a kingdom or a trade guild or something.

In a small village people might be very sceptical against a dragonman but they are probably sceptical against dwarves and elves as well.

And, as BryonD said, WotC hasn't said anything about Hyboria clones. You can't give WotC crap for something if you haven't got facts straight IMO...

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