“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”

[Janx]

Over 4 million people have fled from the conflict in that small middle eastern country. What happens to Syria when there are not enough Syrians left there to fight for it?

I'l like to think that they'd then stop fighting since there'd then be so much land per person that surely every remaining person could be happy.

But instead, what's more likely is somebody else will move in to take over, oppress the remaining Syrians and then we'll have a resistance movement with terrorism for the oppressed Syrians to be free.

 

[was]

I'd like to think that they'd then stop fighting since there'd then be so much land per person that surely every remaining person could be happy.

But instead, what's more likely is somebody else will move in to take over, oppress the remaining Syrians and then we'll have a resistance movement with terrorism for the oppressed Syrians to be free.

..I don't think that ISIS would be content with just Syria. It's like when the world hoped Hitler would be content with taking just Poland.

 

[was]

...The question to me of whether or not to take these immmigrants is not a moral one. It's more of a logistical one. We are talking about a struggling economic system where those who receive benefits from it are nearly equal those who pay into it.

1. The U.S. national debt is approaching $19 trillion (#1 in total amount). Each citizen's share of this debt is over $58 thousand.

2. The U.S. national population is over 320 million (#3 in the world).

3. Over 35% of the U.S. population is on welfare.

4. Over 49% of the U.S. population receive some form of government assistance.
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http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/11/the-2013-index-of-dependence-on-government
http://www.npr.org/2012/05/15/152751116/why-so-many-ph-d-s-are-on-food-stamps
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/08/santorums-distorted-dependency-claims/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...-households-government-benefits_n_996990.html
http://www.heritage.org/research/re...eps-128-million-people-on-government-programs

 

[Morrus]

...The question to me of whether or not to take these immmigrants is not a moral one. It's more of a logistical one. We are talking about a struggling economic system where those who receive benefits from it are nearly equal those who pay into it.

Doing the right thing often hurts.

 

[was]

Doing the right thing often hurts. The rest of the world has these problems, too. We all should do our part. Hell, France announced it was taking more refugees the day after being attacked.

..I am taking a risk in assuming that your idea of 'doing the right thing' arises a moral perspective rather than an economic one.

...Not that I am disagreeing with you, but morals differ greatly based upon the culture and the individual. I am quite sure that there are some very moral folks in both France, and now in San Bernardino, California who disagree that taking in Muslim immigrants is the 'right' thing to do.

..France's decision to accept these immigrants is laudable, but greatly influenced by the fact that they have the largest Muslim population in western Europe.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/01/09/map-frances-growing-muslim-population/

...The argument of 'doing the right thing' falls flat when you are looking at an overburdened economic system on the verge of collapse. I teach students every day who are on free breakfast and lunch programs because their parents can't afford to feed them. I volunteer 2-3 times a month at a local church food kitchen feeding the 'economically challenged' and homeless. There just never seems to be enough resources to take care of everyone who needs help.

...Adding another 100,000 people to an already struggling economy makes little sense to me. Is it morally 'wrong' then to want scarce resources that would be spent in resettling and supporting immigrants to go to the feeding and care of people already struggling to survive in the U.S.? Should the care of previous waves of immigration (Iraqi, Somalian, Nigerian etc..) suffer for the care of a newer one?

...Please don't think that I am trying to be belligerent. There just doesn't seem to be any really good answers or solutions. Dealing with poverty and suffering is overwhelming. Regardless of how hard it is fought, it never seems to end.

 

[Kramodlog]

There just never seems to be enough resources to take care of everyone who needs help.

Oh, there is enough money out there. Its just not being taxed.

 

[was]

Oh, there is enough money out there. Its just not being taxed.

...and what is taxed, is trapped in a bloated bureaucracy which makes you file 100 forms for every penny and then takes years to approve them.

 

[Kramodlog]

...and what is taxed, is trapped in a bloated bureaucracy which makes you file 100 forms for every penny and then takes years to approve them.

What I get from you moving the goal post is that you agree that the resources are there and aren't being taxed.

 

[Ryujin]

..I am taking a risk in assuming that your idea of 'doing the right thing' arises a moral perspective rather than an economic one.

...Not that I am disagreeing with you, but morals differ greatly based upon the culture and the individual. I am quite sure that there are some very moral folks in both France, and now in San Bernardino, California who disagree that taking in Muslim immigrants is the 'right' thing to do.

..France's decision to accept these immigrants is laudable, but greatly influenced by the fact that they have the largest Muslim population in western Europe.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/01/09/map-frances-growing-muslim-population/

...The argument of 'doing the right thing' falls flat when you are looking at an overburdened economic system on the verge of collapse. I teach students every day who are on free breakfast and lunch programs because their parents can't afford to feed them. I volunteer 2-3 times a month at a local church food kitchen feeding the 'economically challenged' and homeless. There just never seems to be enough resources to take care of everyone who needs help.

...Adding another 100,000 people to an already struggling economy makes little sense to me. Is it morally 'wrong' then to want scarce resources that would be spent in resettling and supporting immigrants to go to the feeding and care of people already struggling to survive in the U.S.? Should the care of previous waves of immigration (Iraqi, Somalian, Nigerian etc..) suffer for the care of a newer one?

...Please don't think that I am trying to be belligerent. There just doesn't seem to be any really good answers or solutions. Dealing with poverty and suffering is overwhelming. Regardless of how hard it is fought, it never seems to end.

It is the right thing to do, both morally and economically. In the Western World our demographics are slipping toward greater age. We are not replacing ourselves, as our birth rates are down. Our support systems for old age are predicated upon the current working generation paying for the one that has just retired. In Canada, specifically, our system of health care also operates on this principle. There are fewer in the working generation, now, who must pay for an ever increasing number of older people. Why do you think that France has such a large population of immigrants from the Middle East?

Adding another 100,000 people isn't just the right thing to do; it's a necessity. Add another million. Two million. Demographically speaking, immigrants tend to work harder than domestic workers. They take jobs that domestic workers no longer will. Simply put, they contribute. They build the economy both by working to improve it and spending to support it. Make those new immigrants refugees and they have even more reason to be grateful for the chance, while similarly minimizing the chance that they might be a danger to their new home.

 

[was]

Sure, and hyperboles make great rebuttals.

..An exaggeration certainly, though a pointed one drawn from personal experiences and those of colleagues. Obtaining funds from the U.S. government for charitable programs is a nightmare.