Elder-Basilisk
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The Arcane Archer doesn't look so bad compared to a single classed ranger, paladin, or barbarian either (although of all of those characters, only the ranger is good for typical archer builds making a direct comparison potentially misleading).
I wouldn't call Fighter 8/Wizard 2/Arcane Archer 10 "massive multiclassing" either. It's pretty much as vanilla as you can get and still qualify for the class. Massive multiclassing is something like Ftr 2/Clr 2/Mnk 2/Pal 3/Templar 3/Hospitaller 6/Warpriest 4 or Ftr 2/Rgr 1/Bbn 2/Wiz 2/Rog 4/Arcane Archer 3/Deepwood sniper 2/Order of the Bow Initiate 1/Peerless Archer 1 or Ftr 4/Bbn 1/Rgr 1/Rog 2/Temple Raider 2/Holy Liberator 3/Devoted Defender 3/Templar 2/Weapon Master 1.
For that matter, fighter 20 is certainly not "one of the worst possible" builds in D&D (although it may be one of the weakest viable builds). Things like (and, yes, I have actually seen this) Rog 2/Ftr 1/Clr 1/Wiz 1/Rgr 1/Bbn 1/Thief Acrobat 1/Lasher 1 and Wiz 4/Clr 2/Brd 3/Drd 2 are among the worst possible builds. (Halfling Monk/Necromancer is pretty close too).
My experience of D&D (only up to 16th level in 3.x but I think it's enough to let me understand what works) indicates that single classed fighter types are just as viable as single-classed anything else. Nearly any build can be improved by taking a dozen different prestige classes and the warrior types are easier to do this with than others but they're still quite viable in single-class form
I wouldn't call Fighter 8/Wizard 2/Arcane Archer 10 "massive multiclassing" either. It's pretty much as vanilla as you can get and still qualify for the class. Massive multiclassing is something like Ftr 2/Clr 2/Mnk 2/Pal 3/Templar 3/Hospitaller 6/Warpriest 4 or Ftr 2/Rgr 1/Bbn 2/Wiz 2/Rog 4/Arcane Archer 3/Deepwood sniper 2/Order of the Bow Initiate 1/Peerless Archer 1 or Ftr 4/Bbn 1/Rgr 1/Rog 2/Temple Raider 2/Holy Liberator 3/Devoted Defender 3/Templar 2/Weapon Master 1.
For that matter, fighter 20 is certainly not "one of the worst possible" builds in D&D (although it may be one of the weakest viable builds). Things like (and, yes, I have actually seen this) Rog 2/Ftr 1/Clr 1/Wiz 1/Rgr 1/Bbn 1/Thief Acrobat 1/Lasher 1 and Wiz 4/Clr 2/Brd 3/Drd 2 are among the worst possible builds. (Halfling Monk/Necromancer is pretty close too).
My experience of D&D (only up to 16th level in 3.x but I think it's enough to let me understand what works) indicates that single classed fighter types are just as viable as single-classed anything else. Nearly any build can be improved by taking a dozen different prestige classes and the warrior types are easier to do this with than others but they're still quite viable in single-class form
FrankTrollman said:But if you compare flotsam that washes up on the beach to a 20th level Fighter it doesn't look so bad either.
Single Classed Fighters are severely underpowered - and making direct comparisons between them and absolutely anything else is pointless unless you are simply making note of the fact that SC Fighters "R teh suk."
If the best thing you can say about your class is that it doesn't look all that bad when compared against a Single Classed Fighter - your class probably needs a lot of work. After all, the Single Classed Fighter is wildly underpowered compared to the Single Classed Wizard, Sorcerer, Cleric, Druid, Rogue, or even Bard. Single Classed Warriors get punched in the balls in D&D hard.
A character who, after massively multiclassing, is still not superior to one of the worst possible builds in D&D is not writing themselves a good reccomendation.
-Frank