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<blockquote data-quote="Loonook" data-source="post: 4551663" data-attributes="member: 1861"><p>Yes, how dare people criticize a game... gods, your snark even has smaller snark hanging off of it. Which is impressive in the way that a facehugger is adorable <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />.</p><p></p><p>The whole issue which seems to be raised is that there are no valid criticisms and those who critique are not experiencing the deep love which 4e'rs have... yet those same 4e players get to drag out the tired chestnuts which are handwaved via house rules by anyone who runs across them (drowning rules, for example) from 3.X while touting a somewhat similar way in 4e.</p><p></p><p>What I really hate is the fact that it is also wrong to not enjoy the fluff. Guys... let's admit the fact that the Great Wheel was sort of... ehh... but that this whole Elemental Chaos/Astral Sea/Domain thing seems just as bad. However, the Wheel made a little more sense in a planar geography sense (you could 'cross over' to planes which are near, the use of portals) than the idea that the planes have become a Spelljammer's wonderland.</p><p></p><p>There are plenty of issues around for 4e, and all of them deserved to be criticized. Hell, typeface is a valid criticism if it is done right... however, saying that it is somehow wrong for critiques because you enjoy something is great. My dog enjoys eating his own feces... I'm thinking about throwing a shindig*.</p><p></p><p><strong>* - So as to not be accused of saying 4e = dog feces, I wanted an extreme example which would explain the disgust which people seem to have with the whole thing. In fact, I can think of games which are far worse than 4e (and at least one where you probably gain a benefit from such coprophagic behavior).</strong></p><p></p><p>Also, to Mearls:</p><p></p><p>In general not a lot of issues with your postings . . . but come on. Please, can you WotC guys just chill out a bit on the whole spilled milk issue? Yes, there will be people who hate your product, and some will just hate it because it is new, and some will hate it because it is D&D, and some will hate it because it is Satanic and will corrupt their children. But part of producing a product is accepting the flak which occurs from the release. Yes, you may think that this argument is affecting the community in an adverse way, but by allowing the community to stew in its own delicious juices rather than airing grievances, you'll just make it worse. Accept the hate.</p><p></p><p>And now... a puppy making an Athletics Check.</p><p><img src="http://www.wshs67.info/images/LookAtUsNow/HUDSON2.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>Healing the Wounds With Canine Love,</p><p></p><p>Slainte,</p><p></p><p>-Loonook.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Loonook, post: 4551663, member: 1861"] Yes, how dare people criticize a game... gods, your snark even has smaller snark hanging off of it. Which is impressive in the way that a facehugger is adorable ;). The whole issue which seems to be raised is that there are no valid criticisms and those who critique are not experiencing the deep love which 4e'rs have... yet those same 4e players get to drag out the tired chestnuts which are handwaved via house rules by anyone who runs across them (drowning rules, for example) from 3.X while touting a somewhat similar way in 4e. What I really hate is the fact that it is also wrong to not enjoy the fluff. Guys... let's admit the fact that the Great Wheel was sort of... ehh... but that this whole Elemental Chaos/Astral Sea/Domain thing seems just as bad. However, the Wheel made a little more sense in a planar geography sense (you could 'cross over' to planes which are near, the use of portals) than the idea that the planes have become a Spelljammer's wonderland. There are plenty of issues around for 4e, and all of them deserved to be criticized. Hell, typeface is a valid criticism if it is done right... however, saying that it is somehow wrong for critiques because you enjoy something is great. My dog enjoys eating his own feces... I'm thinking about throwing a shindig*. [B]* - So as to not be accused of saying 4e = dog feces, I wanted an extreme example which would explain the disgust which people seem to have with the whole thing. In fact, I can think of games which are far worse than 4e (and at least one where you probably gain a benefit from such coprophagic behavior).[/B] Also, to Mearls: In general not a lot of issues with your postings . . . but come on. Please, can you WotC guys just chill out a bit on the whole spilled milk issue? Yes, there will be people who hate your product, and some will just hate it because it is new, and some will hate it because it is D&D, and some will hate it because it is Satanic and will corrupt their children. But part of producing a product is accepting the flak which occurs from the release. Yes, you may think that this argument is affecting the community in an adverse way, but by allowing the community to stew in its own delicious juices rather than airing grievances, you'll just make it worse. Accept the hate. And now... a puppy making an Athletics Check. [IMG]http://www.wshs67.info/images/LookAtUsNow/HUDSON2.jpg[/IMG] Healing the Wounds With Canine Love, Slainte, -Loonook. [/QUOTE]
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