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<blockquote data-quote="stonegod" data-source="post: 2957575" data-attributes="member: 36973"><p>I spent some time and have done a side by side analysis of swashbuckler vs. fighter/deulist. Note, fastest path deulist is fighter 7.</p><p></p><p>Human Fighter/Duelist vs. Human Swashbuckler</p><p></p><p>Abilities: Str 15, Dex 15, Con 13, Int 15, Wis 10, Cha 10</p><p>Ability increase as follows: 4th Str, 8th Int, 12th Dex, 16th Con, 20th ?</p><p>Uses a rapier</p><p></p><p>BAB and HD are the same.</p><p></p><p>Skill Points:</p><p>- Swashbuckler gains 5+Int SP. Most likely will spend 1 skill slot on Tumble every level, leaving 4+Int skill slots free.</p><p>- F/D 3+Int until 8th, then 5+Int until 18th, then 3+Int afterwards. Must spend 1 skill slots per level until 8th on Tumble, must spend 1 skill slots per level until 4th on Perform, leaving only 1+Int skill slots free.</p><p></p><p>Damage:</p><p>- Swash does Weapon+Str damage until 3rd, then Weapon+Str+Int after. In this build, that is 1d6+2 (5 avg, 1-2), then 1d6+4 (7 avg, 3), 1d6+5 (8 avg, 4-7), 1d6+6 (9 avg, 8-20).</p><p>- Fighter does Weapon+Str until 12th, then Weapon+Str+1d6 until 17th, then Weapon+Str+2d6. In this build, that is 1d6+2 (5 avg, 1-3), 1d6+3 (6 avg, 4-11), 2d6+3 (10 avg, 12-16), 3d6+3 (13 avg, 17-20).</p><p></p><p>Feats:</p><p>- Swash gets Weapon Finesse free at 1st. Assuming they took Dodge and Mobility, that leaves only the feats at 3rd and 6th free until 8th (when Duelist is an option for our F/D combo). Swash has also gained four special abilities in this time (grace, insightful strike, dodge bonus, acrobatic charge).</p><p>- Fighter must spend first three feats on Weapon Finesse, Dodge, and Mobility. That leaves two fighter bonus feats at 4th and 6th and normal feats at 3rd and 6th open before duelist begins at 8th. </p><p></p><p>Saves:</p><p>[code] Swash F/D Note</p><p> F R W F R W</p><p>1 3 3 0 3 3 0</p><p>2 4 4 0 4 3 0 Swash: Grace +1</p><p>3 4 5 1 4 4 1</p><p>4 5 5 1 5 4 1</p><p>5 5 5 1 5 4 1</p><p>6 6 6 2 6 5 2</p><p>7 6 6 2 6 5 2</p><p>8 7 6 2 6 7 2 F/D: Duelist 1st 0/2/0</p><p>9 7 7 3 6 8 2</p><p>10 8 7 3 7 8 3</p><p>11 8 8 3 7 11 3 Swash: Grace +2, D: Grace +2 (armorless)</p><p>12 9 10 4 7 12 3 Dex +1</p><p>13 9 10 4 8 13 4</p><p>14 10 10 4 8 13 4</p><p>15 10 11 5 8 14 4</p><p>16 12 11 5 10 14 5 Con +1</p><p>17 12 11 5 10 15 5 F/D: Last Duelist level</p><p>18 13 12 5 11 15 5 F/D: Fighter 8th</p><p>19 13 12 5 11 16 6</p><p>20 14 13 5 12 16 6[/code]</p><p></p><p>Abilities:</p><p>- Swash favors all out attack on single foe (extra dodge bonus, improved flanking, criticals) and acrobatics (acrobatic charge early, taking 10 on Jump/Tumble)</p><p>- Duelist favors defense (mobility bonus, full defense bonus via parry, deflect arrows) and speed (improved reaction)</p><p></p><p>Discuss. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stonegod, post: 2957575, member: 36973"] I spent some time and have done a side by side analysis of swashbuckler vs. fighter/deulist. Note, fastest path deulist is fighter 7. Human Fighter/Duelist vs. Human Swashbuckler Abilities: Str 15, Dex 15, Con 13, Int 15, Wis 10, Cha 10 Ability increase as follows: 4th Str, 8th Int, 12th Dex, 16th Con, 20th ? Uses a rapier BAB and HD are the same. Skill Points: - Swashbuckler gains 5+Int SP. Most likely will spend 1 skill slot on Tumble every level, leaving 4+Int skill slots free. - F/D 3+Int until 8th, then 5+Int until 18th, then 3+Int afterwards. Must spend 1 skill slots per level until 8th on Tumble, must spend 1 skill slots per level until 4th on Perform, leaving only 1+Int skill slots free. Damage: - Swash does Weapon+Str damage until 3rd, then Weapon+Str+Int after. In this build, that is 1d6+2 (5 avg, 1-2), then 1d6+4 (7 avg, 3), 1d6+5 (8 avg, 4-7), 1d6+6 (9 avg, 8-20). - Fighter does Weapon+Str until 12th, then Weapon+Str+1d6 until 17th, then Weapon+Str+2d6. In this build, that is 1d6+2 (5 avg, 1-3), 1d6+3 (6 avg, 4-11), 2d6+3 (10 avg, 12-16), 3d6+3 (13 avg, 17-20). Feats: - Swash gets Weapon Finesse free at 1st. Assuming they took Dodge and Mobility, that leaves only the feats at 3rd and 6th free until 8th (when Duelist is an option for our F/D combo). Swash has also gained four special abilities in this time (grace, insightful strike, dodge bonus, acrobatic charge). - Fighter must spend first three feats on Weapon Finesse, Dodge, and Mobility. That leaves two fighter bonus feats at 4th and 6th and normal feats at 3rd and 6th open before duelist begins at 8th. Saves: [code] Swash F/D Note F R W F R W 1 3 3 0 3 3 0 2 4 4 0 4 3 0 Swash: Grace +1 3 4 5 1 4 4 1 4 5 5 1 5 4 1 5 5 5 1 5 4 1 6 6 6 2 6 5 2 7 6 6 2 6 5 2 8 7 6 2 6 7 2 F/D: Duelist 1st 0/2/0 9 7 7 3 6 8 2 10 8 7 3 7 8 3 11 8 8 3 7 11 3 Swash: Grace +2, D: Grace +2 (armorless) 12 9 10 4 7 12 3 Dex +1 13 9 10 4 8 13 4 14 10 10 4 8 13 4 15 10 11 5 8 14 4 16 12 11 5 10 14 5 Con +1 17 12 11 5 10 15 5 F/D: Last Duelist level 18 13 12 5 11 15 5 F/D: Fighter 8th 19 13 12 5 11 16 6 20 14 13 5 12 16 6[/code] Abilities: - Swash favors all out attack on single foe (extra dodge bonus, improved flanking, criticals) and acrobatics (acrobatic charge early, taking 10 on Jump/Tumble) - Duelist favors defense (mobility bonus, full defense bonus via parry, deflect arrows) and speed (improved reaction) Discuss. :) [/QUOTE]
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