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<blockquote data-quote="ClearlyTough69" data-source="post: 7079718" data-attributes="member: 6864123"><p>I'm going to reply one paragraph at a time.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think it's worth spelling out that 'hidden' describes a relationship between two creatures: one creature is hidden from another though it might not be hidden from a third. I suggest tweaking your second sentence as follows (I've underlined my added words; don't know how to do strike out for a couple of removed words):</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Also I don't like WotC's use of the term <em>location</em>: it's too ambiguous for my taste. I prefer <em>exact position or space (on the grid)</em>.</p><p></p><p>Strictly speaking, you can't directly target a hidden creature because... it's hidden from you. However, you can target its space. If you target the wrong space, you automatically miss and you don't know whether or not the creature is in that space - you still make an attack at disadvantage though. If you target the right space, your attack is at disadvantage; if you hit the creature with a melee attack, I would rule that it's no longer hidden from you because you have the direct evidence of your senses telling you exactly where the creature is (you feel the blow strike true); if you successfully target it with any other form of attack or effect, the DM's decides what feedback - if any - you get from your success. If you target the right space, but you miss, you don't know whether or not the creature is in that space. Neither the PC nor its player should be able to tell the difference between targeting the wrong space and targeting the right space but missing.</p><p></p><p>Thanks for posting this. Responding to these kinds of posts helps solidify my own thinking.</p><p></p><p>More to come on your other paragraphs...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ClearlyTough69, post: 7079718, member: 6864123"] I'm going to reply one paragraph at a time. I think it's worth spelling out that 'hidden' describes a relationship between two creatures: one creature is hidden from another though it might not be hidden from a third. I suggest tweaking your second sentence as follows (I've underlined my added words; don't know how to do strike out for a couple of removed words): Also I don't like WotC's use of the term [I]location[/I]: it's too ambiguous for my taste. I prefer [I]exact position or space (on the grid)[/I]. Strictly speaking, you can't directly target a hidden creature because... it's hidden from you. However, you can target its space. If you target the wrong space, you automatically miss and you don't know whether or not the creature is in that space - you still make an attack at disadvantage though. If you target the right space, your attack is at disadvantage; if you hit the creature with a melee attack, I would rule that it's no longer hidden from you because you have the direct evidence of your senses telling you exactly where the creature is (you feel the blow strike true); if you successfully target it with any other form of attack or effect, the DM's decides what feedback - if any - you get from your success. If you target the right space, but you miss, you don't know whether or not the creature is in that space. Neither the PC nor its player should be able to tell the difference between targeting the wrong space and targeting the right space but missing. Thanks for posting this. Responding to these kinds of posts helps solidify my own thinking. More to come on your other paragraphs... [/QUOTE]
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