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<blockquote data-quote="ccs" data-source="post: 7929370" data-attributes="member: 6803664"><p>Yes. We used them for a bit when they came out. </p><p>All that happened was a crap load of complexity, min/maxing & wrecking of games as DMs allowed everything & anything. No game I was in or familiar with survived contact with this stuff.</p><p>I was not a fan.</p><p>I never personally ran a game that used any of this stuff. And I never will.</p><p></p><p>About 4 years ago the DM who was running the 1e game at the shop decided that he wanted to convert the game to 2e & use (all of) this crap. </p><p>Only he & I had any xp using this stuff, and he was, & still is, NOT up to running a game involving any of it, let alone all of it. We're the only two who owned the books (full set each)</p><p>I argued against it. Especially using <em>all</em> of it. I told the group about my experiences & what I'd witnessed.</p><p>I was out voted.</p><p>Ok, fine.</p><p>I declared that I would not be complicit in crashing the game. Thus I would not be providing the use of my copies of these books. (We're all well paid adults. So if you want a copy go hit EBay etc, find yourself a pirate PDF, or share the DMs....) </p><p>The DM declared that everyone would have 150k xp to split between lvs etc as we pleased.</p><p>I had my character <span style="font-size: 10px">(a vary conservative build considering my options - but then <em>I</em> knew what was coming & what a waste anything more would turn out to be)</span> done that evening.</p><p></p><p>The game went on hiatus for <em>three weeks</em> as 7 other players digested 3-4 entire books & essentially a whole rules system in order to create characters. </p><p>The min/max that followed was easily the equal of anything I'd witnessed before. </p><p></p><p>The resulting game lasted two weeks.</p><p></p><p>I didn't even have to say <em>"I told you so"</em>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ccs, post: 7929370, member: 6803664"] Yes. We used them for a bit when they came out. All that happened was a crap load of complexity, min/maxing & wrecking of games as DMs allowed everything & anything. No game I was in or familiar with survived contact with this stuff. I was not a fan. I never personally ran a game that used any of this stuff. And I never will. About 4 years ago the DM who was running the 1e game at the shop decided that he wanted to convert the game to 2e & use (all of) this crap. Only he & I had any xp using this stuff, and he was, & still is, NOT up to running a game involving any of it, let alone all of it. We're the only two who owned the books (full set each) I argued against it. Especially using [I]all[/I] of it. I told the group about my experiences & what I'd witnessed. I was out voted. Ok, fine. I declared that I would not be complicit in crashing the game. Thus I would not be providing the use of my copies of these books. (We're all well paid adults. So if you want a copy go hit EBay etc, find yourself a pirate PDF, or share the DMs....) The DM declared that everyone would have 150k xp to split between lvs etc as we pleased. I had my character [SIZE=2](a vary conservative build considering my options - but then [I]I[/I] knew what was coming & what a waste anything more would turn out to be)[/SIZE] done that evening. The game went on hiatus for [I]three weeks[/I] as 7 other players digested 3-4 entire books & essentially a whole rules system in order to create characters. The min/max that followed was easily the equal of anything I'd witnessed before. The resulting game lasted two weeks. I didn't even have to say [I]"I told you so"[/I]. [/QUOTE]
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