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<blockquote data-quote="LiquidBlue" data-source="post: 3128435" data-attributes="member: 40911"><p>While not an argument based on flavor text, I have long felt that the Orc Paragon was the weakest of all the Paragon classes precisely because of their second level ability. If anything can be considered a dead level it is that level. Really the only reason to go beyond the first level of the Orc Paragon class is if one desperately desires to make a body-building Orc.</p><p></p><p>Of course ever other Paragon class addes to one ability score or another. Some even allow the option of which ability score to increase.</p><p></p><p>I am not sure that replacing Elf Slayer with a feat is the right solution, but Elf Slayer seems much to weak. I would almost take the Half-Orc Paragon route and give them 1 extra rage per day. But since the Orc Paragon has a d10 HD compared to the Half-Orc's d8, even that may be too strong. (If not rejected simply for the desire to avoid duplication.) The Half-Orc's Montrous Mein seems about right. (But again is a duplication.)</p><p></p><p>I think granting the Endurance Feat would be about the right power level, and think fits well with the Orc Paragon concept. (Regular Orcs vs. Uruk-hai for example)</p><p></p><p>Of course, I do not think that it is a particularly bad idea to simply let sleeping dogs lie. Somethings are just weaker than others, no matter how much we would it to be different.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LiquidBlue, post: 3128435, member: 40911"] While not an argument based on flavor text, I have long felt that the Orc Paragon was the weakest of all the Paragon classes precisely because of their second level ability. If anything can be considered a dead level it is that level. Really the only reason to go beyond the first level of the Orc Paragon class is if one desperately desires to make a body-building Orc. Of course ever other Paragon class addes to one ability score or another. Some even allow the option of which ability score to increase. I am not sure that replacing Elf Slayer with a feat is the right solution, but Elf Slayer seems much to weak. I would almost take the Half-Orc Paragon route and give them 1 extra rage per day. But since the Orc Paragon has a d10 HD compared to the Half-Orc's d8, even that may be too strong. (If not rejected simply for the desire to avoid duplication.) The Half-Orc's Montrous Mein seems about right. (But again is a duplication.) I think granting the Endurance Feat would be about the right power level, and think fits well with the Orc Paragon concept. (Regular Orcs vs. Uruk-hai for example) Of course, I do not think that it is a particularly bad idea to simply let sleeping dogs lie. Somethings are just weaker than others, no matter how much we would it to be different. [/QUOTE]
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