Boundless Endurance?

[mrperil]

One of my players chose this as his fighter lvl 2 utility. Would this last till the end of the encounter or until an extended rest?

 

[Lacyon]

One of my players chose this as his fighter lvl 2 utility. Would this last till the end of the encounter or until an extended rest?

Boundless endurance has the Stance keyword, which means that it lasts until the end of the encounter, or 5 minutes, or until he uses another Stance power.

 

[James McMurray]

And to clarify, typically speaking "5 minutes" = "until the end of the encounter." Either the party takes a short rest and five minutes passes, or they don't and any effects which would have lasted "until the end of the encounter" are still active when the next battle or challenge begins.

 

[Pabloj]

Sure? I thought the "5 minute" duration was meant so you cannot use encounter powers on more than one encounter unless your DM wants you to by putting an encounter before 5 minutes go by.

 

[Lacyon]

Sure? I thought the "5 minute" duration was meant so you cannot use encounter powers on more than one encounter unless your DM wants you to by putting an encounter before 5 minutes go by.

This is essentially the same thing.

You don't get back per-encounter powers until you take a short rest.

A short rest lasts five minutes.

Any time two combats happen within five minutes of each other they can be considered, abstractly, to be the same encounter, because 1) previous "until the end of the encounter" abilities can still be active (since they last 5 minutes), and 2) no previously used "per encounter" abilities can be used again (since you can't have had a short rest in less than 5 minutes).

 

[James McMurray]

Also, should the DM want to have two encounters in a row where the ongoing effects fade, he need only interrupt that short rest somehow, then have the enounter a little more than 5 minutes later. For instance, if you're in hostile territory and snipers take pot shots at you every few minutes. There's no actual combat nless you can get to them before they disappear, but it will still stop you from resting and replenishing your encounter powers.

I wouldn't recommend it unless the PCs are deep within the heart of an enemy encampment, and have hopefully gone into the situation knowing that rest might not be an option. I'd definitely combine the planned encounters together into a single XP pool, and pull a little out to make up for the fact that they won't have "scene long" effects for the "entire scene."

 

[mrperil]

aha the stance modifier. its not in the index. thanks for your help!

 

[Bond James Bond]

And to clarify, typically speaking "5 minutes" = "until the end of the encounter." Either the party takes a short rest and five minutes passes, or they don't and any effects which would have lasted "until the end of the encounter" are still active when the next battle or challenge begins.

Interesting.

I like this way of reading it this way. But is this rule written somewhere?

Because the wording "last until the end of the encounter OR 5 minutes" strongly suggest, that both ar indepedent events which end the stance, i.e. after the last round of combat, the stance fades, no matter if you are attacked 3 minutes later, for example.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I like this way of reading it this way. But is this rule written somewhere?

A conditional duration of "until the end of the encounter" is defined on PHB p278: "The effect ends when you take a rest (short or extended) or after 5 minutes".

So if the stance lasts "until the end of the encounter", then immediately after the last round of combat, neither of those conditions have been fulfilled - he has not taken a rest (short or extended), nor have five minutes passed. The conditional duration lasts until one of those specified events occurs.

Or, in other words, the end of the encounter is not a condition that ends an effect that lasts until the end of the encounter.

-Hyp.

 

[Larrin]

Or to be less confusing the encounter doesn't end until you take a rest, not when the last goblin dies horribly. Or until nothing has happened for ~5 minutes, which is virtually the same as a short rest anyway.

Kinda klunky/non-intuitive no matter how you say it, i guess.