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<blockquote data-quote="Tormyr" data-source="post: 7318117" data-attributes="member: 6776887"><p>1. Sorry, I had misunderstood the situation to be that the PC was somewhat on their own (and I did not know they were all in noisy armor). What I would suggest depends on what the witches do. If they are trying to hide, then they use the Hide action when the PC comes in the door and you compare stealth to perception. If the witches are going to attack immediately, then they are heavily obscured but not undetectable. The PCs notice there is something in the room and are not surprised. Roll initiative as normal. All you need to do for the witches to have a surprise round is to first take the Hide action and have all of the PCs do worse on the roll. You can roll both sides with the witches having advantage; you can roll just the witches with advantage against the PCs passive perception; you can roll the PC's perception against 10 + Stealth + 5 for advantage; or your can take PC's passive perception vs 10 + Stealth + 5. As long as the witches take their first action when the PCs burst in the room to Hide, the normal rules still work.</p><p></p><p>2. If the Paladin needs to figure out where the medusa is, then ask for a perception check. If the medusa did not know the paladin was coming and the paladin had not taken the Hide action to scope out the lay of the land, then neither of them are hidden from each other and neither creature is surprised. If a creature has not used the Hide action from an awareness that there is a potential predator / prey scenario, then the general idea is that the creature is making some sort of movement, sound, catches in peripheral vision, or something that allows at least their general location to be detected. Roll initiative as normal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tormyr, post: 7318117, member: 6776887"] 1. Sorry, I had misunderstood the situation to be that the PC was somewhat on their own (and I did not know they were all in noisy armor). What I would suggest depends on what the witches do. If they are trying to hide, then they use the Hide action when the PC comes in the door and you compare stealth to perception. If the witches are going to attack immediately, then they are heavily obscured but not undetectable. The PCs notice there is something in the room and are not surprised. Roll initiative as normal. All you need to do for the witches to have a surprise round is to first take the Hide action and have all of the PCs do worse on the roll. You can roll both sides with the witches having advantage; you can roll just the witches with advantage against the PCs passive perception; you can roll the PC's perception against 10 + Stealth + 5 for advantage; or your can take PC's passive perception vs 10 + Stealth + 5. As long as the witches take their first action when the PCs burst in the room to Hide, the normal rules still work. 2. If the Paladin needs to figure out where the medusa is, then ask for a perception check. If the medusa did not know the paladin was coming and the paladin had not taken the Hide action to scope out the lay of the land, then neither of them are hidden from each other and neither creature is surprised. If a creature has not used the Hide action from an awareness that there is a potential predator / prey scenario, then the general idea is that the creature is making some sort of movement, sound, catches in peripheral vision, or something that allows at least their general location to be detected. Roll initiative as normal. [/QUOTE]
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