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<blockquote data-quote="wedgeski" data-source="post: 7070837" data-attributes="member: 16212"><p>I wouldn't apply "shove" to any creature you're riding but I certainly would allow grapple checks for those effects.</p><p></p><p>Pulling a horse to the ground seems completely reasonable. If you're big enough and you throw your weight off center while pulling the reins, why not? An opposed check or two, and the horse might even win that contest, leaving the rider with his face in the dirt or being hauled along by the reins. Seems fun and dramatic, IMO, and you've probably seen it a hundred times in westerns.</p><p></p><p>Grappling/pinning a flying creature's wings also seems like a super-cinematic action for an athletic character to bring a flying opponent down, but the risk should be high. Presumably the wyvern is trying to buck the aggressor off its back the whole time. As for how long it takes to fall...I usually just rule that a fall happens instantaneously, but a dose of logic might need to be applied at high altitudes. Besides, having to maintain the grapple creates the possibility for all kinds of drama and last-minute danger. This is to say nothing of the damage both creatures will take on impact, but the PC in question might consider the trade-off to be worth it.</p><p></p><p>As for your last point, I actually had a minotaur PC square off against a charging villain and wrestle his horse to the ground. When the whole table cheers something, you know you've made the right call. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wedgeski, post: 7070837, member: 16212"] I wouldn't apply "shove" to any creature you're riding but I certainly would allow grapple checks for those effects. Pulling a horse to the ground seems completely reasonable. If you're big enough and you throw your weight off center while pulling the reins, why not? An opposed check or two, and the horse might even win that contest, leaving the rider with his face in the dirt or being hauled along by the reins. Seems fun and dramatic, IMO, and you've probably seen it a hundred times in westerns. Grappling/pinning a flying creature's wings also seems like a super-cinematic action for an athletic character to bring a flying opponent down, but the risk should be high. Presumably the wyvern is trying to buck the aggressor off its back the whole time. As for how long it takes to fall...I usually just rule that a fall happens instantaneously, but a dose of logic might need to be applied at high altitudes. Besides, having to maintain the grapple creates the possibility for all kinds of drama and last-minute danger. This is to say nothing of the damage both creatures will take on impact, but the PC in question might consider the trade-off to be worth it. As for your last point, I actually had a minotaur PC square off against a charging villain and wrestle his horse to the ground. When the whole table cheers something, you know you've made the right call. :) [/QUOTE]
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