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While you're not wrong, if we accept that the stats aren't balanced with eachother, all three typical character-generation methods - 4d6-drop-lowest-and-arrange, standard array, and point buy - are inherently broken.
(Ironically, the least broken, fairest, alternative would be random-roll-in-order.)
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You just put put into words something I've been thinking about, but hadn't properly framed. I joke about the eldritch blast-y thing, but that's really it.
What the heck does strong force of personality/will have to do with submitting yourself in a pact to a being for more power? If anything, there should be a negative correlation (or none). And, as you note, while I think some of the fluff if specific to Cthulhu, um, GOO, in terms of knowledge, it still makes more sense to have it keyed to intelligence.
Exactly what I was going to post, beat me to it.I think the idea is that force of will is what lets you keep your mind after contact with the patron--most people who encounter a GOO or a demon lord become lunatics (or enthralled slaves to the fey), but the warlock has enough force of will to keep his/her sanity. It wouldn't shock me if any GOO's or archfey that get stats have something similar to madness tables.
I think the idea is that force of will is what lets you keep your mind after contact with the patron--most people who encounter a GOO or a demon lord become lunatics (or enthralled slaves to the fey), but the warlock has enough force of will to keep his/her sanity. It wouldn't shock me if any GOO's or archfey that get stats have something similar to madness tables.
Makes sense to me. My personal opinion is that Warlocks would work best with Intelligence, but I'm fine with whatever.Well, I see that; the trouble with that concept is that it is incredibly specific. It effectively rules out the vast majority of ideas I would have for a Warlock.
As I have written repeatedly, there is something that feels off with having Warlocks often become the "face" of a party simply because of this (Sorcerers as well, to a lesser extent).
The vast majority of ideas I have for awesome warlocks are not those I associate with high charisma. Is it possible? Sure. Anything is possible. But it's not something I want ... NECESSARILY CORRELATED to being a Warlock.
(Moreover, while I happen to disagree with the premise, it become exceptionally ridiculous when you expand the list of Patrons, IMO. Again, servant of X does not always equate with strong force of will. Or often.)
Yeah, I was tempted to remark on this as a valid counterpoint to my own thoughts on the warlock, but again, there's nothing in the class description that suggests insanity/enthrallment ever happens with them. The only established cost is that most warlocks perform favors for the patron. Which is fine. Gives players and DMs a lot of latitude in fleshing out the details as suits their story. If such consequences as you describe exist for NPC warlocks in one's game, then PC warlocks can be the special snowflakes who routinely overcome or avoid them. They have that little something extra that enables them to be functional adventurers. Roughly speaking, warlocks are to cultists what clerics are to priests.
IMO, that something extra should be identified as their ingenuity and ability to make better sense of esoteric knowledge rather than their willfulness, which doesn't get mentioned even once in their class description. Their spellcasting ability score is literally the only thing that suggests willpower plays a role in their adventuring careers, whereas there are several references to the intellectual functions of the class. See below.
[sblock]"Warlocks are seekers of the knowledge that lies hidden in the fabric of the multiverse."
"Drawing on the ancient knowledge of [otherworldly] beings... warlocks piece together arcane secrets..."
"More often, the arrangement [between warlock and patron] is similar to that between a master and apprentice." (suggesting some level of learning/instruction)
"Warlocks are driven by an insatiable need for knowledge and power..." [/sblock]