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Different games, or sequential editions of the same game?Hussar said:There was no previous limit in 3e to raise. 2e and 1e had level limits, but, those are different games.
Different games, or sequential editions of the same game?Hussar said:There was no previous limit in 3e to raise. 2e and 1e had level limits, but, those are different games.
Raven Crowking said:D'oh! That's what I get for not paying attention to what the hell I am saying. You're right, I need to use my point buy to get an 18 Strength and a 15 Dexterity. Then I make sure to be a half-orc, to boost that up to 20. I use a light off-hand weapon and select the Two-Weapon Fighting feat. I now attack with both weapons with a +1 BAB, +5 bonus for Strength, and -2 penalty for two weapons....+4/+4.
Where the 1e fighter might really show me up is at 10th level, where he's getting to kill 10 orcs a round....but even with Great Cleave no more than 9 orcs can surround me in 3e.
Storm Raven said:Or the 1e fighter might show you up at first level, with an 18/00 strength (hey, if you get to have a 20 Strength in 3e, I get to max out as a 1e guy) and double weapon specialization. Then I get to attack 3 times every 2 rounds on the fighter attack table at +6 to hit, and +10 to damage.
Raven Crowking said:Sure, but if you don't cheat, what are the odds of rolling an 18/00 Strength? Even if you use the most Munchkinny method of 1e, the odds are still somewhat less than 1%.
Storm Raven said:If I am using the methods provided in UA for generating a fighter, I am almost certain to get an 18+ Strength and a 15+ Dexterity. Which, when coupled with double specialization and fighting with two weapons, gives me at least 5/2 attacks at +4/+4 and +6/+6 damage. And that is if I roll poorly on my % strength roll; I am likely to be much better.
Of course, I could totally munchkin out and play a cavalier (or better yet, a UA paladin). Then I'd be certain to have an 18/00 Strength, 18 Dexterity, and 18 Constitution by about 5th level.
Raven Crowking said:Sure, but if you don't cheat, what are the odds of rolling an 18/00 Strength? Even if you use the most Munchkinny method of 1e, the odds are still somewhat less than 1%.
Conversely, what are the odds of being able to get an 18 Strength and 15 Dexterity using the pretty common 35-point-buy method of the current edition? Wouldn't that be 100%?
No....But we should treat optional material as optional, rather than as the norm.
Numion said:Point buy is optional in 3.0E (3.0E DMG, p. 19 "Here are eight optional variants you might want to consider.."). So there's no guaranteed 18's.. Maybe it's standard in 3.5E, though.
Raven Crowking said:Something that is optional is less likely to be used than something that is not. Moreover, something that is optional is more likely to be examined for desireability than something that is not.