Condition: Weakened

[amysrevenge]

Weakened: Your attacks deal half damage. Ongoing damage you deal is not affected.

Most other effects differentiate between melee/weapon attacks and other attacks (ie. see Prone on the same page). This one does not. Does that mean that Magic Missile damage is halved if the Wizard is Weakened?

I could justify it if I had to...

 

[Mort_Q]

Does that mean that Magic Missile damage is halved if the Wizard is Weakened?

Yes. All damage save ongoing is halved.

This is a good thing, as PCs can impose this condition on NPCs as well.

 

[scholz]

Related Question

Related Question...
Would you impose a penalty to strength based checks when weakened?
It seems appropriate, and potentially nasty. I had a homebrew monster Jelly Fish that weakened opponents, then grabbed them.

It worked fine. But I wasn't sure how to calculate the effect of weakened on a check (so I gave a -5 penalty to Athletics). What do you think?

 

[James McMurray]

Related Question...
Would you impose a penalty to strength based checks when weakened?
It seems appropriate, and potentially nasty. I had a homebrew monster Jelly Fish that weakened opponents, then grabbed them.

It worked fine. But I wasn't sure how to calculate the effect of weakened on a check (so I gave a -5 penalty to Athletics). What do you think?

It makes sense, but I wouldn't do it. The monsters that weaken are balanced under the assumption that weakening doesn't affect strength. If you only use home brewed monsters whose weakening will interact with strength, and you're sure not to make them too powerful, it shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Stalker0]

I could justify it if I had to...

It not a stretch at all. Magic likely takes a little physical power, conjuring a force and all. If your body is weakened, its harder to channel the power, and so it does less.

 

[Mort_Q]

Isn't that dazed? Sort of? Just make them weakened and dazed if the effect warrants it.

 

[amysrevenge]

It not a stretch at all. Magic likely takes a little physical power, conjuring a force and all. If your body is weakened, its harder to channel the power, and so it does less.

Pretty much what I had in mind, yes.

 

[Kyrail]

Well, keep in mind all you are is a body. I just took weakened to mean, mind body and soul.

 

[hennebeck]

A bit of digging up an old thread, but this is the exact topic I was looking for.

Both Weakened and Magic Missile have been changed by errata since this thread started.
From the Compendium:
Weakened
Your attacks deal half damage. However, two kinds of damage that you deal are not affected: ongoing damage and damage that isn’t generated by an attack roll.

Magic Missile
At-Will Arcane, Force, Implement
Standard Action Ranged 20
Target: One creature
Effect: 2 + Intelligence modifier force damage.

So I just want to confirm that Magic Missile dmg would not be halved because it doesn't have an attack roll, correct?

 

[Mort_Q]

So I just want to confirm that Magic Missile dmg would not be halved because it doesn't have an attack roll, correct?

That'd be my read, yes.