Crawford: Bard's College of Glamour is a Fabulous Pop Star!

WotC's Jeremy Crawford continues his series of videos for D&D Beyond. "So the College of Glamour was a subclass that in our brainstorming came up partly inspired by a bard that was in my previous D&D campaign. Michelle Carter, one of our editors, played a bard in my campaign whose father had been whisked away to the Feywild and was raised there and throughout the entire campaign we described her bard's magic as being suffused with the power of the fey. And so I thought what if we made a whole College about this, a College of of bardic magic that would not only be used by people in the mortal world but would also basically be the college that would be engaged in by bards in the Feywild and so thus the the College of Glamour was born."

WotC's Jeremy Crawford continues his series of videos for D&D Beyond. "So the College of Glamour was a subclass that in our brainstorming came up partly inspired by a bard that was in my previous D&D campaign. Michelle Carter, one of our editors, played a bard in my campaign whose father had been whisked away to the Feywild and was raised there and throughout the entire campaign we described her bard's magic as being suffused with the power of the fey. And so I thought what if we made a whole College about this, a College of of bardic magic that would not only be used by people in the mortal world but would also basically be the college that would be engaged in by bards in the Feywild and so thus the the College of Glamour was born."

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"Also aesthetically Mike and I early on talked about essentially having figures like Freddie Mercury in mind, the so this bard it was just crazily fabulous and beguiling, and again like we do with all of the subclasses we wanted it to feel different from the bards in The Player's Handbook.

In the Player's Handbook we have the College of Valor which is very much about sort of wading into battle and inspiring one's companions, very much kind of a Skald in in historical sense. We have then the Lore bard which is much more about knowing all these great stories and manipulating other people's minds and emotions, a bard who could could be seen as almost a bit of an intellectual but also as sort of a trickster. It's kind of open-ended enough that you can push that bard in either direction.

So we felt there was a place for a bard that instead was all about the beguiling magic of the Feywild, and so the the College of Glamour, playtesters really liked it and we refined it to really just enhance what they liked about it, and that is this this bard who is able to beguile people using their class features and not just using spells. A bard who once they're high enough level can make it difficult for people to even attack them because essentially the people have become their fans. Because again again full disclosure in addition to being inspired by stories fey creatures and their beguiling abilities we were also again inspired by the idea of the College of Glamour sort of being a pop star. And so there's a little thread in some of the class features of basically people becoming the College of Glamour's, that bards fans and like we're gonna do what you say, we're not gonna hurt you.

This is the bard who is just unbelievably fabulous. And as we say in the book a bard who could be pushed in a heroic or a villainous direction. On one hand you can imagine members of this College bringing great delight to people, the bard who brightens the dreary lives of peasants wherever the bard goes who has just a wondrous colorful magic who soothes their their broken hearts, who brings this music that's so beautiful it just pierces them and they cry tears of happiness, but you can also imagine a member of this College who is manipulating people getting them to do what he or she wants and could be a bit of a terror. And in this this bard is very much an appropriate sort of representative of the Feywild itself, a beauty that is a double double-edged sword that can cut in your favor or it can cut against you.

And so this bard is an interesting contrast and a very intentional contrast with the Circle of Dreams and the druid, where there we leaned into kind of how that the beauty of the Feywild can soothe and protect; here we're leaning into the fact that that beauty can be perilous and you don't always know if it's on your side. But also with this subclass whatever way that blade of beauty is cutting it must always be fabulous.

It's funny, College of Glamour is actually one of the earliest subclasses we talked about including when we were coming up with the whole set of subclasses for the Unearthed Arcana series, because for some reason it just tickled me and Mike we're like "we definitely want to do this, we hope playtesters like it, and thank goodness they did!", and now it's in the book.

So a member of the College of Glamour can acquire their abilities in a variety of different ways and we we always like to leave it pretty open-ended for our players to side to decide exactly how they became a member of their subclass in terms of their story for why. We give suggestions, so one way that a member of the College of Glamour might have become a member is by being from the Feywild, perhaps you were whisked away as a baby and you actually grew up in that fey realm and because of that you are now suffused with this strange magic and it alters what you can do as a bard. You can easily imagine, though, another member of this College who maybe studied under a fey being... perhaps you found a glade in a forest somewhere and heard a dryad singing and became her student and a result of her tutelage became a member of the College of Glamour. So I think there there could be a lot of actually really great stories not only for this subclass but for many of the subclasses in the book for "how did you become a member of the subclass?" It's particularly easier to do that when you're in a class that does not get it's subclass at first level because some classes, right when you pick the class you pick the subclass and so often your story for a class like that for why you are a member of a subclass is kind of inextricably entwined with why you became a member of the class itself. In contrast, when you're a member of a class where you pick your subclass at 2nd or 3rd level, that little time delay then gets gives you a chance story-wise to think more specifically "Why am I a member of this subclass and not another and how is how is that related to my characters past? How is that related to where my character is going down the line in the campaign? How am I informing the story the DM wants to tell with me about my character?" Because I know a lot of DMs like to sprinkle in things in a campaign tied in with each character story. I know it's something I do as a DM; I always try to have something in the campaign for every character at the table that relates to their background... someone who was important to them in the past might have to do with their subclass, and again I think the College of Glamour in particular is very rich in terms of coming up with characters' stories... again it could be it could have been a dryad you studied under, it could have been a satyr. You heard of satyrs but guy Lang pipes and then wanted to know well how can I be as beguiling as this strange being and again the College of Glamour gives you a chance to play a character who is a bit a bit like a satyr in terms of entrancing people with performance."



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OB1

Jedi Master
Looks like my Gnome Wild Sorcerer/ Fey Warlock will be multi classing again! This subclass sounds perfect for him!
 

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gyor

Legend
Given it involves the fey, I think it works on both levels, that makes it clever. And according Jeremy it's very popular subclass.
 

Chaosmancer

Legend
I can defintely see this one being popular, "rockstars" have existed for centuries and about half the people I've ever seen play a bard would want to try this style on a little more snugly
 
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Libramarian

Adventurer
I don't know, I guess this is for someone, but I just don't see this as D&D
Seems related to Crawford's goal to make D&D more queer
Glamour to me suggests high fashion, celebrity, a certain shallowness, and a focus on appearance, not substance. The older definition refers to a more magical understanding: enchantment; magic -- "that maiden, made by glamour out of flowers." Based on what Crawford said above, I think they are going more for the modern understanding of the word.
It's definitely a carefully chosen word!
 

Libramarian

Adventurer
Also aesthetically Mike and I early on talked about essentially having figures like Freddie Mercury in mind, the so this bard it was just crazily fabulous and beguiling

Freddie Mercury's parties actually were like something out of a game of D&D...

"Now Freddie could indulge himself like never before. Mountains of cocaine were shovelled up his aquiline nose. Further mountains were carried about on trays strapped to the heads of dwarves at parties that would have had Caligula raising a disapproving eyebrow. Rent boys were consumed and dispensed with like so much chewing gum. Freddie's 39th birthday party, featuring trolls, ogres, thieves, ballerinas, transsexuals and, naturally, dwarves, was one of the largest and most expensive ever held in rock'n'roll."​

If I were to play a Glamour Bard I definitely would have dwarves follow me around with trays of cocaine on their heads.
 

guachi

Hero

My favorite part of the guardian screed against Queen is this bit:
In July 1985 when Bob Geldof declared that Queen, following their performance at Live Aid, were the best band of the day, the world agreed, and Queen, who until then had failed to crack America, went stratospheric.​

"Failed to crack America"?. I know the writer is British, but come on. 20 songs on the Billboard 100, 11 top 40 songs, 4 top 10s and two #1 songs before 1985. Sounds fairly successful to me!

In any event, if they come out with things people like, are reasonably balanced, and have interesting gaming possibilities, I'm for it. My only hope is that in totality, Everything provides something for a wide variety of players. I suspect it will. I haven't purchased any book since the DMG came out but I'm optimistic about purchasing this.
 

gyor

Legend
Seems related to Crawford's goal to make D&D more queer
It's definitely a carefully chosen word!

Being Glamourous is not just for the Queer community, and it doesn't have to be feminine or androgonous.

I'd say Prince, David Bowe, and Meatloaf and many artists are all Glamourous, I think the rockstar thing is more about presence and head space then one particular style.
 


Paolo

First Post
I don't know, there seems to be a lot of relative scarcity built into the fluff of the class: I used to hang out in the feywild (where everyone is good at manipulation), and I learned some things that work better among the dirt farmers than they would in the feywild. A lot of eladrin wouldn't ever expect to leave the 'wild. If a society doesn't expect (or value) something, then there isn't any social pressure to shape youth to be good at that. And since elves aren't predisposed for charisma, it would take social effort to make them that way. Contrast the eladrin with the drow, who can expect demons to show up around every corner (makes the diplomacy/persuasion check really valuable), and if you impress the demon, it is warlock or wild magic sorcerer city, so there is a lot of pressure to have good charisma scores. If an eladrin has to make a charisma check in the feywild, odds are he/she is already up the creek without a paddle.

If half orc can have strength score +2 to be good at fighter, then why not eladrin have charisma score +2 to be good at bard?
 

AmerginLiath

Adventurer
Freddie Mercury the Glamour Bard goes well alongside Brian May the Great Old One Warlock (studying the mysteries beyond the stars in between rocking adventures)...
 

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