On another note, I'd recommend you delete the term that rhymes with curfew bingling as it has been used too much as a dogwhistle by bad faith actors and it's against forum policy IIRC.
Yep.
On another note, I'd recommend you delete the term that rhymes with curfew bingling as it has been used too much as a dogwhistle by bad faith actors and it's against forum policy IIRC.
Yep.
Your stance is petulant and ignorant.
Yep, that's why I have repeatedly added the 'legal and ethical' nuance to my statements.But it is reasonable to hold corporate cultures accountable for ethical policies.
I think they should seek that. But given as we really have little to go on we don't know what considerations WotC made when they made their decision. So we might believe in our perspective they made a bad decision, but WotC might have reasons to believe they have made a good decision. Hopefully @Ondath will get a response from WotC that will clarify.I still think @Ondath and @Ondath's friends ought to get some kind of accommodation/assistance from WotC on this, though: D&D fans should be encouraged in their fandom. What they're asking for in this case seems neither onerous nor dangerous.
Don't get angry if you don't want to.I really don't want to shift to an angrier tone here, but what is it with you guys and defending a multi-billion dollar company for a bad decision that they could've very easily avoided by not doing anything?
Who's stance? Or are you avoiding identifying who because then you might be in violation of forum rules about attacking individuals rather than discussing the topic?Your stance is petulant and ignorant. Especially in the face of everything that Ondath has said about their home country.
Let me put things into perspective this way.How on earth am I being 'petulant or repugnant' to suggest someone direct angst at Turkey (a country that literally prejudices and persecutes LGBTI people) instead of WOTC (a company that is openly promoting LGBTI issues) here?
LGBT rights in Turkey - Wikipedia
If your company is found to have promoted LGBTI issues in a place like Hungary or Russia, it will see you fined (or worse) in those jurisdictions. That's a consequence of homo (and trans) phobia in those jurisdictions, so your anger should be directed at them.
Turkey has been literally using offences in its criminal code 'against the public morality' and 'against public exhibitionism' to shut down Pride marches and LGBTI organizations:
Human rights in Turkey - Wikipedia
WOTC on the other hand, are literally going out of their way to support those causes.
Pick your battles man. It wasnt that long ago that companies just stayed quiet. Here we have a company actively trying to promote LGBTI issues, and show solidarity, and they're the ones copping it, and not the country with the draconian LGBTI laws.
What I meant by doing nothing was not implementing the region lock in Turkey. This was an unnecessary step that they did not need to take, which is why I'm saying they made this worse by doing something. Them making special pride dice was not what I meant.You complaining that they have done the wrong thing, not that you want them to do nothing.
Let me put things into perspective this way.
Netflix, a company actively targeted by anti-LGBT groups, operates in Turkey with no issues.
You can’t honestly expect an American, even a lawyer for a large comapny, to know where Turkey is on a map. Turkey is “over there,” part of the “backward” countries that we don’t think about unless we need to bomb them. /sYou'll notice that Turkey is not marked in any of those maps as particularly limited or dangerous for LGBT people. The cultural attitudes are no different than that of Poland, for instance, and I know my Polish friends could claim these dice without issue. I really don't want to shift to an angrier tone here, but what is it with you guys and defending a multi-billion dollar company for a bad decision that they could've very easily avoided by not doing anything?
According to their own text, neither of these two. D&D Beyond claims to be blocking because "certain regions prohibit specific subject matter". Ondath has made it clear that this isn't true; Turkey does not, in fact, prohibit that subject matter.Did WOTC restrict the content in Turkey:
1) Because they don't really support LGBTI issues, and it's all just an elaborate charade or
2) Because of Turkeys threatening to use (and using) 'public morality' laws to suppress and attack people and organizations promoting LGBTI issues in Turkey?
Yes.So again I ask you, who is to blame here? WOTC, or Turkey?