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<blockquote data-quote="Ilbranteloth" data-source="post: 7425196" data-attributes="member: 6778044"><p>Yeah, I wouldn't call recognizing that the impediment to your vision is different for fog, foliage, and dim light a house rule, ad hoc or otherwise.</p><p></p><p>Those are simply examples of circumstances where your vision is impacted enough that you have disadvantage on Perception checks. That the rules use the same penalty for all three circumstances doesn't preclude you from recognizing that fact that the causes and their impact are different and adjudicating accordingly.</p><p></p><p>I don't consider traveling outside at night suicidal, but there's a reason why people, even today, don't travel through the wilderness at night, preferring to set up camp and rest. I think that's well reflected in the 5e rules as is. People without darkvision have disadvantage in dim light, and it's worse in total darkness. So they use light, but since most portable light sources have a relatively small radius (too small to be safe outdoors), they will tend to set up camp for the night.</p><p></p><p>I use the 5e vision rules just as they are. As I stated, we just happen maintain the previously existing rule (not for a rule's sake, but because it makes sense to us) that in light that is dim enough to cause a penalty, you can't read.</p><p></p><p>I don't think anybody would question it if I stated you can't read in darkness. 5e lumps both being outdoors at night and being in a dungeon as darkness. I don't know about you, but I've been outside in the country at night, away from artificial light sources, and while I can't read in those conditions (except for a bright moon). But it it substantially different than being in a cave without light (a circumstance I've also been in several times). I would consider the first to be dim light, and the second darkness. I would consider light to be bright enough to read by enough light that it doesn't impose a penalty to Perception. So my threshold for dim light and darkness is a bit different than described in the PHB. </p><p></p><p>Having said that, darkness also imposes disadvantage on attacks, and thinking about it, perhaps a dark night is what I <em>would</em> consider darkness.So perhaps that's the threshold for being able to read - darkness, or when the light is poor enough that you have disadvantage on Perception and attacks.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ilbranteloth, post: 7425196, member: 6778044"] Yeah, I wouldn't call recognizing that the impediment to your vision is different for fog, foliage, and dim light a house rule, ad hoc or otherwise. Those are simply examples of circumstances where your vision is impacted enough that you have disadvantage on Perception checks. That the rules use the same penalty for all three circumstances doesn't preclude you from recognizing that fact that the causes and their impact are different and adjudicating accordingly. I don't consider traveling outside at night suicidal, but there's a reason why people, even today, don't travel through the wilderness at night, preferring to set up camp and rest. I think that's well reflected in the 5e rules as is. People without darkvision have disadvantage in dim light, and it's worse in total darkness. So they use light, but since most portable light sources have a relatively small radius (too small to be safe outdoors), they will tend to set up camp for the night. I use the 5e vision rules just as they are. As I stated, we just happen maintain the previously existing rule (not for a rule's sake, but because it makes sense to us) that in light that is dim enough to cause a penalty, you can't read. I don't think anybody would question it if I stated you can't read in darkness. 5e lumps both being outdoors at night and being in a dungeon as darkness. I don't know about you, but I've been outside in the country at night, away from artificial light sources, and while I can't read in those conditions (except for a bright moon). But it it substantially different than being in a cave without light (a circumstance I've also been in several times). I would consider the first to be dim light, and the second darkness. I would consider light to be bright enough to read by enough light that it doesn't impose a penalty to Perception. So my threshold for dim light and darkness is a bit different than described in the PHB. Having said that, darkness also imposes disadvantage on attacks, and thinking about it, perhaps a dark night is what I [I]would[/I] consider darkness.So perhaps that's the threshold for being able to read - darkness, or when the light is poor enough that you have disadvantage on Perception and attacks. [/QUOTE]
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