D&D General DMs Guild and DriveThruRPG ban AI written works, requires labels for AI generated art

[Scribe]

Also a certain amount of arrogance when I saw comments about flipping burgers or farm work as I've done both.

Please dont misunderstand, as I have as well, as well as long summers in the sun digging ditches with a shovel. This isnt coming from a point of arrogance.

I mention those jobs, as those are all various 'entry level' jobs, and at least around here entry level jobs do not pay the bills. They used to, but not anymore.

 

[Zardnaar]

Please dont misunderstand, as I have as well, as well as long summers in the sun digging ditches with a shovel. This isnt coming from a point of arrogance.

I mention those jobs, as those are all various 'entry level' jobs, and at least around here entry level jobs do not pay the bills. They used to, but not anymore.

They kinda do here but a bit harder. Can't say to much more though but sone problems are very similar. We don't gave to worry about rent or mortgage which makes things a lot easier.

I find it amusing though people getting upset over AI art when a lot of the arguments used against it.

If I had to I would move back to hometown and work on a farm or meat processing plant if required. I dont want to and will never really have to make that choice.

 

[Scribe]

I find it amusing though people getting upset over AI art when a lot of the arguments used against it.

For me, the Art impact is just a single ripple in what will inevitable become a massive problem as AI, and computer generated media (Fakes) become more and more of an issue.

 

[Maxperson]

Telling someone (or something) to make art is not the same as actually making art.

That's not what I described. I described creating art via a tool. Period. At no point did I suggest to have it create the art.

 

[Maxperson]

How many decisions/points of input does a director have, and how many does an AI user have?

Either can have more or less than the other. It really depends on how long the production is and how detailed the artist is getting with the AI tool.

 

[Warbringer]

I think it is interesting how people put art in a special place to be protected from automation,but don't have much to say about programmers, data entry professionals, customer service and IT specialists, and others that have been or very soon will be automated out of a job. Everyone is all for automation and efficiency until it affects them personally.

On the subject of AI DMs: I am 100% certain that should someone develop a reliable and decent AI DM, people will pay to use by the score. And it still won't kill DMing by humans, because people do that for fun.

This goes back to Descartes, except the argument is automation - creativity, rather than body - soul. The argument now revolves around the special nature of “creativity” as being specifically human

 

[ECMO3]

Take the issues of permission and theft out of it for a moment. If AI makes art available to folks who couldn’t afford it otherwise is that a good thing or a bad thing? If I can’t afford to buy an art print for my rented bedsit but I can pay a few quid to get something I’ve generated myself printed is that not a good thing?

I think it is good, but my point is if you don't think it is good you should not buy it. You should stand on your moral high ground and do without it if it really is an issue of right and wrong for you.

 

[ECMO3]

Yeah, I mean once you have X million, is there really an ethical argument that you need more, forever?

I would argue that number is not X million, it is more like $50 a day.

Is there an ethical argument that you "need" any more than enough $$ to rent a one-room dirt-floor shack and buy enough inexpensive food not to be malnourished? Especially when so many in the world lack even that?

I mean if we are going to go down this road, what is the ethical reason anyone should get more than $10 an hour when basic survival can be purchased for less than that?

 

[Thomas Shey]

I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. If you take away the database AI uses, it can't produce anything. A person still can.

Really? Take away the other art everyone is exposed to and see how long it takes for them to redevelop artistic work. I bet you could teach a computer to do that too, if you wanted to.

People don't develop art skills out of nowhere. They develop it because they conceptually understand art, and have seen things art or visual images of some sort. I'm perfect willing to say you could get that sort of ground-up art out of a machine simply by showing it a brush stroke set (or even having it randomly do them) and then teaching it to more and more approximate, say, a photo of a location mandating it did so with brush strokes. And that's about what having someone who has literally never seen another piece of art trying to learn to do so would end up with.

A person can create something without any reference. Secondly, take away my computer, or my paintbrush, and I can still create. Take away your AI prompt and you can't. Those are significant and fundamental differences, and why you can't just "put a seat at the table for AI prompters along with actual artists".

Using a CnC machine doesn't make me a woodcarver. Using AI doesn't make you an artist.

Are you going to try and claim that the people who can only produce effective art with digital tools aren't artists next? Because there are people who, if you call what they produce with manual tools "art" every person on the planet are artists.

 

[Thomas Shey]

Writing my own adventures and-or editing (in process of converting to suit my system) other peoples' adventures is as close as I've got to writing gaming material.

Writing takes longer, and it's not even close, mostly due to the not-writing bits e.g. maps (I'm a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to maps, so when I'm doing a digital map I'll work right down to the pixel-by-pixel level if I have to, to get it right). But if all I have to do is tweak someone else's module and reskin/restat the monsters: piece of cake.

That's why I gave you the point, at least on old-school style short modules. But, say, a sourcebook? There's a huge amount of editing needed there by somebody.