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<blockquote data-quote="Steel_Wind" data-source="post: 5651724" data-attributes="member: 20741"><p><em>Inspire Courage</em> + <em>Good Hope</em> = +4/+4 to all allies = WIN</p><p></p><p>I have not played a bard in Pathfinder. I have, however, played WITH a bard in my Kingmaker party for the past 14 months. The Bard is actually our titular Baron/Duke/King in the PCs Kingdom. As a supporting cast member in the party - Bards ROCK.</p><p></p><p>This is not an isolated opinion. My other gaming group, also playing Kingmaker, are also of the opinion that their own bard, which fulfills the identical role in their Kingmaker campaign is +4/+4 and <span style="color: Orange"><em>Full of Win</em></span>. In terms of impact upon play, this bard combo is in a dead heat with the Wizard's <em>Haste</em> spell.</p><p></p><p>Given that there really is no spell in the game more useful than <em>Haste</em> in terms of multiplying the party's overall combat effectiveness, that's saying a <span style="color: Orange"><strong>LOT</strong></span>.</p><p></p><p>Not every player is content to play such a supporting role. They are not the front line fighter, nor the front line spellcaster. They do have utility and healing spells which can come in real handy in a pinch -- but they are not the "star" of the underlying combat game. </p><p></p><p>But above all, they have their Loremaster ability and <em>Inspire Courage</em> and <em>Good Hope</em>.<span style="color: Orange"><em> +4/+4 never, <strong>ever</strong>, gets old.</em></span> Add in <em>Haste</em>, and we are +5/+4 in Round 1 for essentially the entire combat out of the gate.</p><p></p><p>No wonder the bad guys don't stand a chance. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steel_Wind, post: 5651724, member: 20741"] [I]Inspire Courage[/I] + [I]Good Hope[/I] = +4/+4 to all allies = WIN I have not played a bard in Pathfinder. I have, however, played WITH a bard in my Kingmaker party for the past 14 months. The Bard is actually our titular Baron/Duke/King in the PCs Kingdom. As a supporting cast member in the party - Bards ROCK. This is not an isolated opinion. My other gaming group, also playing Kingmaker, are also of the opinion that their own bard, which fulfills the identical role in their Kingmaker campaign is +4/+4 and [COLOR=Orange][I]Full of Win[/I][/COLOR]. In terms of impact upon play, this bard combo is in a dead heat with the Wizard's [I]Haste[/I] spell. Given that there really is no spell in the game more useful than [I]Haste[/I] in terms of multiplying the party's overall combat effectiveness, that's saying a [COLOR=Orange][B]LOT[/B][/COLOR]. Not every player is content to play such a supporting role. They are not the front line fighter, nor the front line spellcaster. They do have utility and healing spells which can come in real handy in a pinch -- but they are not the "star" of the underlying combat game. But above all, they have their Loremaster ability and [I]Inspire Courage[/I] and [I]Good Hope[/I].[COLOR=Orange][I] +4/+4 never, [B]ever[/B], gets old.[/I][/COLOR] Add in [I]Haste[/I], and we are +5/+4 in Round 1 for essentially the entire combat out of the gate. No wonder the bad guys don't stand a chance. :) [/QUOTE]
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