Does anyone actually like Dragonborn and Tieflings?

[jackston2]

Look at Final Fantasy Tactics concept art, it will make you like them both.

Bangaa dragoons and templars for Dragonborn, and Grie raptors for the Tiefling.

 

[The Green Adam]

Enter...The Dragling!

I never make idle threats about art...

http://barkingalien.deviantart.com/art/The-Dragling-90208155

So Mark, whattaya think?

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[frankthedm]

Tieflings are fine in my book, I kind of think of them as a hybrid of Melnibonéans and Men of Leng. As such they should be persecuted in all but the most cosmopolitan cities.

Dragonborn just need to steal the Dragonlance Draconian's art.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Definitely agreeing 100% with the last part of that sentence.

For what it's worth, Half-Elves I could have gone without. The Eladrin/Elf split made a lot of sense to me, but I don't really need 3 elven races in the core rules. But I don't think I would have put in the Gnome or Half-Orc in it. I'd probably had added another Epic Destiny instead.

 

[Korgoth]

Commit them then to the flames.

I don't think that D&D should have to be "pure Tolkien". I just think these guys are lame. Tieflings have some potential to be done as Men from Leng... but that makes them NPCs not PCs. And rather different from their current writeup.

But then, for some reason they decided to split woodsy elves from froo-froo woodsy elves. What's next... bourgeois elves? How about cookie elves? There should just be elves. Then you can say if yours is an aristo elf, a hippie elf, a morlock elf, or whatever.

 

[Orius]

Well, there's always been at least one specific type of fiend expressly designed to mate with mortals,

Dude, don't beat around the bush here, everyone knows she's called a

SUCCUBUS.


Anyway, I'm with the group that dislikes dragonboobs and prefers Planescape tieflings.

 

[rounser]

I like them both, just not in the core implied setting. Neither should be a default race, and both of them are.

If they had to be in the core, then aasimar and lizardfolk should be there for balance (to get a theme going of scalies and planars). Out of context, they make no sense. Or scrap dragonborn and give people proper dragons to play.

 

[Tervin]

Before the 4E announcement my strongest dislike in D&D was against how races were handled. They all felt bland and pointless, like humans from different cultures rather than distinct and different. People roleplayed stereotypes, because if you didn't do the stereotype there was no way to know which race your character was.

I started writing my own campaign world then, throwing out all the usual PH races as they didn't add anything to the game. Instead added in races that were shapeshifters, insectoids, undead and faeries.

Before I got very far with the new world, the new edition was announced. And what I loved the most from the early promises was how they said they wanted race to matter more. Not everything has turned out the way I had hoped. (Need lots more racial feats and paragon paths!) Still I can't really complain when the improvement is this huge. Tieflings and Dragonborn might not fit your old setting - but they are exotic and distinct from the other races. And by making the races more distinct from scratch, it becomes easier to make individuals out of them, rather than fall into racial stereotypes.

That is why I love Dragonborn and Tieflings. And the rest of the PH races after the overhaul, except the Half-Elves which still seem random and bland. Well I love Tieflings even more, because I found a way to use them in my campaign that makes me smile every time I think of them.

Oh and Eladrin is perhaps my favourite race these days. I don't think of them as elves though. I think of them as fey, the race that has been most clearly missing from every old version of D&D (with the possible exception of 1E Oriental Adventures Fey Folk ).

 

[Fenes]

I like Tieflings - but I mean the Planescape ones, not the "all look the same, and have the same backstory" 4E ones.

I consider Dragonborn Lizardfolk, and I find them about as interesting and cool as those, i.e. not at all.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Commit them then to the flames.

I don't think that D&D should have to be "pure Tolkien". I just think these guys are lame. Tieflings have some potential to be done as Men from Leng... but that makes them NPCs not PCs. And rather different from their current writeup.

But then, for some reason they decided to split woodsy elves from froo-froo woodsy elves. What's next... bourgeois elves? How about cookie elves? There should just be elves. Then you can say if yours is an aristo elf, a hippie elf, a morlock elf, or whatever.

Not really on topic, but at least 3E started the trend with multiple Elf subraces including different statistics for each subrace. There was typically always the split between "woodsy elf" and "wizardy elf" (and it existed in the sub-races, too - Wood, Wild etc. elves for woodsy, High and Sun Elves for wizardy), and I am glad they finally "solved" this by splitting the race in two distinct, but related races.