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does anyone else think half-orcs get gypped?
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<blockquote data-quote="Seeten" data-source="post: 3249312" data-attributes="member: 27186"><p>And for a non melee character its completely worthless.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And for non-Fighter/Barbarian, it lets them do diddly squat. For Swashbucklers, and light fighters, its no better than good dex. For Scout, its no better than dex. So for 1 underpowered class, and 1 average class, Strength is a good ability? Woo hoo! Sign me up!</p><p></p><p>Look, just because in 1e, your fighter had 18/00 and it was godly does not make Strength better than Intelligence in 3.5. Sorry.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think Half-Orc Fighters are mediocre. They cant intimidate, they are worse than the worst fighter as unless they pump int they get 0 skill points, in short, they suck. As Barbarians they fare slightly better, as at least they get 2 skill points there. I know, lets make a class thats good for one class, but not as good as dwarves, and waste space in the PHB by making them core! Or not.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Frankly, since all races can be all classes, this is the single weakest part of your argument. Con is good for every single class. Strength is a dump stat for tons of classes. Nobody is arguing Half-Orcs are better than dwarves for VERY good reason. Strength is NOT better than Con, Con is the single most important ability score in the entire game. Strength is ok for specific builds in specific classes only.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>+1 hit, +1 dmg, +1.5 dmg with a two hander. Thats your big trump card. Cant intimidate, get no skills, no improved trip, no combat expertise. You know, I simply can't understand where anyone makes these statements. They make no sense. Doing slightly more damage at the cost of the rest of your abilities in 2 classes, and being pure awful at every other class makes the race awful. I see no argument that being an OK Barbarian, but not the best choice, and being a mediocre fighter, and being terrible as: Sorceror, Bard, Psion, Cleric(Assuming you want to turn undead.) Wizard, Warlock.</p><p></p><p>Half-Orc is slightly better than Kobold. Slightly. Thats my stand on it. And only because Kobold gets -2 con. If you removed the -2 con, Kobold would be head and shoulders better.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Seeten, post: 3249312, member: 27186"] And for a non melee character its completely worthless. And for non-Fighter/Barbarian, it lets them do diddly squat. For Swashbucklers, and light fighters, its no better than good dex. For Scout, its no better than dex. So for 1 underpowered class, and 1 average class, Strength is a good ability? Woo hoo! Sign me up! Look, just because in 1e, your fighter had 18/00 and it was godly does not make Strength better than Intelligence in 3.5. Sorry. I think Half-Orc Fighters are mediocre. They cant intimidate, they are worse than the worst fighter as unless they pump int they get 0 skill points, in short, they suck. As Barbarians they fare slightly better, as at least they get 2 skill points there. I know, lets make a class thats good for one class, but not as good as dwarves, and waste space in the PHB by making them core! Or not. Frankly, since all races can be all classes, this is the single weakest part of your argument. Con is good for every single class. Strength is a dump stat for tons of classes. Nobody is arguing Half-Orcs are better than dwarves for VERY good reason. Strength is NOT better than Con, Con is the single most important ability score in the entire game. Strength is ok for specific builds in specific classes only. +1 hit, +1 dmg, +1.5 dmg with a two hander. Thats your big trump card. Cant intimidate, get no skills, no improved trip, no combat expertise. You know, I simply can't understand where anyone makes these statements. They make no sense. Doing slightly more damage at the cost of the rest of your abilities in 2 classes, and being pure awful at every other class makes the race awful. I see no argument that being an OK Barbarian, but not the best choice, and being a mediocre fighter, and being terrible as: Sorceror, Bard, Psion, Cleric(Assuming you want to turn undead.) Wizard, Warlock. Half-Orc is slightly better than Kobold. Slightly. Thats my stand on it. And only because Kobold gets -2 con. If you removed the -2 con, Kobold would be head and shoulders better. [/QUOTE]
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