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<blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 9110707" data-attributes="member: 8461"><p>Haha, nope! Your "point" (such as it was) was "are there any" masculine gods of evil who are trapped in a "hell plane." And of course, when the answer turned out to be "yes, quite a lot" you suddenly pivoted to "yeah, but are they prominent"?</p><p></p><p>Leaving aside that the 1E <em>Manual of the Planes</em> flat-out says (p. 124) "These beings, known as demi-gods, lesser gods, and greater gods, are grouped into the general category of Powers." So yeah, the titans are treated as being gods for all intents and purposes. Which is, you know, what the aforementioned <em>Vortex of Madness</em> says.</p><p></p><p>And yet Moander's primary presentation is masculine. Funny how you keep ignoring that when it suits your point.</p><p></p><p>Oh, so now you're asking about "WotC era D&D"? Where was that in your <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/drizzt-novel-lolths-warrior-spoilers.699488/post-9110283" target="_blank">initial post</a>, pray tell?</p><p></p><p>Pot, kettle, yadda yadda yadda.</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Vecna[/URL]</p><p></p><p><img src="https://media3.giphy.com/media/V9gjxvLnSSdA4/200.gif" alt="the simpsons adult GIF" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd explain the difference between "nuance" and "never mentioning a particular qualifier at all," but given that your entire point depends on you not understanding that, it strikes me as a pointless endeavor.</p><p></p><p>And yet, no actual denial is made regarding your ignorance of the lore.</p><p></p><p>So you complain that your "nuance" isn't being recognized, and then turn right around and show your own inability to recognize it? Tsk.</p><p></p><p>Because you asked "are there any" without any sort of qualifier, and somehow think that there's some sort of magical "nuance" which means that you meant...honestly, I'm not even sure, since you've still done an incredibly poor job clarifying your original point. Of course, that's because there <em>was</em> no nuance in your original point, so now you're trying to go back and retroactively add something about...popularity, I think? But yeah, your original sarcastic question about where were the trapped masculine gods of evil is indeed laughably wrong, since there are many such deities.</p><p></p><p>Here, I'll even give you another one: the Chaos god, from Dragonlance, who's trapped in the Greygem. Sure, it's no "hell plane," but it's certainly relevant, since it's a major plot point regarding the recently published <em>Dragons of Deceit</em> novel from Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman. Or does a novel from two New York Times bestsellers that's just over a year old not popular enough for you?</p><p></p><p>If you wanted to add a whole bunch of restrictions like "state of a thing in the present tense" and "part of the game anymore," then maybe you should use those the first time around so people actually know what you're talking about. Because claiming all of that is somehow <s>magically understood</s> nuance isn't cutting it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Alzrius, post: 9110707, member: 8461"] Haha, nope! Your "point" (such as it was) was "are there any" masculine gods of evil who are trapped in a "hell plane." And of course, when the answer turned out to be "yes, quite a lot" you suddenly pivoted to "yeah, but are they prominent"? Leaving aside that the 1E [I]Manual of the Planes[/I] flat-out says (p. 124) "These beings, known as demi-gods, lesser gods, and greater gods, are grouped into the general category of Powers." So yeah, the titans are treated as being gods for all intents and purposes. Which is, you know, what the aforementioned [I]Vortex of Madness[/I] says. And yet Moander's primary presentation is masculine. Funny how you keep ignoring that when it suits your point. Oh, so now you're asking about "WotC era D&D"? Where was that in your [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/drizzt-novel-lolths-warrior-spoilers.699488/post-9110283']initial post[/URL], pray tell? Pot, kettle, yadda yadda yadda. [URL unfurl="true"]https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Vecna[/URL] [IMG alt="the simpsons adult GIF"]https://media3.giphy.com/media/V9gjxvLnSSdA4/200.gif[/IMG] I'd explain the difference between "nuance" and "never mentioning a particular qualifier at all," but given that your entire point depends on you not understanding that, it strikes me as a pointless endeavor. And yet, no actual denial is made regarding your ignorance of the lore. So you complain that your "nuance" isn't being recognized, and then turn right around and show your own inability to recognize it? Tsk. Because you asked "are there any" without any sort of qualifier, and somehow think that there's some sort of magical "nuance" which means that you meant...honestly, I'm not even sure, since you've still done an incredibly poor job clarifying your original point. Of course, that's because there [I]was[/I] no nuance in your original point, so now you're trying to go back and retroactively add something about...popularity, I think? But yeah, your original sarcastic question about where were the trapped masculine gods of evil is indeed laughably wrong, since there are many such deities. Here, I'll even give you another one: the Chaos god, from Dragonlance, who's trapped in the Greygem. Sure, it's no "hell plane," but it's certainly relevant, since it's a major plot point regarding the recently published [I]Dragons of Deceit[/I] novel from Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman. Or does a novel from two New York Times bestsellers that's just over a year old not popular enough for you? If you wanted to add a whole bunch of restrictions like "state of a thing in the present tense" and "part of the game anymore," then maybe you should use those the first time around so people actually know what you're talking about. Because claiming all of that is somehow [S]magically understood[/S] nuance isn't cutting it. [/QUOTE]
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