EN World City Project: Geography

[Conaill]

Based on your map... if trade is coming from the NW... there is no need for a river crossing. How can you possibly not see this.

Trade from NW can go around the lake... and never cross the river. Therefore... there is no need to go through Mor's End.

Trade from NW to where?

I don't get it. Trade coming from the NW, wanting to go to the E/SE. River flows NE. Time for a little drawing perhaps:

 

[The Grey Dwarf]

And the second route ...

 

[Knightfall]

Mor's End - Version 4

Ok, here's the latest version of the map.

The westernmost bridge was named Poshbridge but I renamed it Westbridge.

Here is the key for the numbered text:

1. High Market
2. Low Market
3. Jollita Square
4. The Citadel
5. Mage's Roost

Opinions?

KF72

 

[Conaill]

Looking great! Could we have the scale bar a little larger, please? I have no idea if my layout for the Citadel even makes sense given the distances involved...

PS: how do you feel about my other suggestions in the post with the Citadel closeup? (small changes to the coastline at Highbridge and the ferry, and shifting Tradegate East)

 

[Lalato]

Ok... here is your image edited to show how caravans could completely circumvent Mor's End...

 

[Conaill]

That looks like several hundred miles extra in some cases. I believe the lake is a couple hundred miles long, right? You can *always* circumvent an obstacle. But if the lake and river goes SW-NE, it would primarily be an obstacle for trade going NW-SE.

Besides, who's to say those other routes are even feasible? The Northern one seems like it would have to pass through or even North of the mountains Kul Moren is in. The long way around the lake... that's hundreds of miles from our little piece of the world. Who knows what kind of dangers are out there, if Mor's End counts as the "frontier"

 

[Lalato]

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this point.

NE to SW route forces a river crossing if the mountains block the west side of the lake. This forces caravans to cross at Mor's End whether they are going SW or SE.

Or they could go around the mountains... The caravans however cannot go around Mor's End to the South... They have to go through Mor's End... or go around the mountains... at least one of the options is Mor's End...

If the caravans come from the NW... they have three options for avoiding Mor's End... Go around the mountains (if they don't need to cross the river) go around the lake (if they need to cross the river)... or just keep driving past Mor's End (if they don't need to cross the river)... Sure... they could go through Mor's End... but it wouldn't be necessary.

And if Mor's End isn't necessary for a river crossing... then why did it become a city in the first place?

 

[Conaill]

NE to SW route forces a river crossing if the mountains block the west side of the lake. This forces caravans to cross at Mor's End whether they are going SW or SE.

That puts the trade route paralell with the river though. That means they could cross anywhere along the river. Plus, as you mentioned, they could still go around the mountains as well. For that matter, they could loop South around the swamp too... Just goes to prove that you can always circumvent any obstacle, provided you're willing to go far enough out of your way.

Besides, we already wanted to have the river itself as a trade route, so for a real trade "hub", we also needed one that crosses it more or less perpendicular. North to South would have been the obvious candidate in the original layout (with the river going straight East), but someone put that damn swamp in the way.

Anyway, we'll leave it up to TGD to hash this out, he is Geography minister after all! (And besides, he seems to agree with me... all the more reason to support his authority )

 

[Lalato]

They wouldn't cross the river... if it is wider or more dangerous downstream... And... at least it requires a river crossing at some point... why not at Mor's End... The other way doesn't require a river crossing at all.

So HA... and Double HA!!!

--sam

 

[Knightfall]

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