Okay. I've spent a couple of days getting my thoughts together and deciding how I wanted to respond (and I've been a little busy...I've only had time for quick reads and simple posts
).
So...
Wow, El Mahdi, you really, really don't want to let that go do you?
Thank you for the compliment. I value tenacity, consistency, and preseverence in others, and try to cultivate it in myself. I'm glad I've achieved some success at that, and that it's noticeable to those that discourse with me. (That's a joke.)
Have I posted using lots of exclamation points? Have I been using multicolored scary text to make my point more dramatic? Have I, in any way, used language like "stupid" or "idiotic"?
Lot's of exclamation points? No, (some occasional one's for emphasis, but no strings of them, which is what I think your point was...)
Multicolored scary text? No
Language like "stupid" or "idiotic"? Yes
One doesn't have to actually use such words as "stupid" or "idiotic", to disparage someone or their ideas in that manner. So yes, you have used language that says those things. You've also used links that has someone else using those words and language for you (the
Flying Snowmen). Whether veiled, by proxy, or explicitly stated, the intention and effect is the same.
I originally went back through the posts on this thread and copied quotes of where this was done by you, and was going to include them in this post. But, during the process of doing this, I noticed that I had been doing the exact same thing...to both you and others in this thread. For that I apologize.
If you would like the quotes I'm talking about, pm me and I'll pm them to you. But I've realized that it wouldn't be appropriate to post them here in this thread, and in this manner.
However, there are more ways to "flip out" than using strings of exclamation points, multicolored and scary text, bolding text, emoticons, and language consistent with flipping out. One can also consistently take issue with the same thing, over and over again, and simply not let it go. I have been doing that in this thread, and it is a form of flipping out. One I am acknowledging and taking personal responsibility for.
But, I haven't been the only in this thread that won't let things go. I think taking a stance to challenge any idea from anyone that might affect "your" game, is a fair example of this (among others). Especially as it is not "your" game. Talking with WotC on their forums (or here in the hopes they see it) about what you want in the game and directions you don't want to see it go in, seems a perfectly reasonable thing to do. However I feel that telling other posters that their ideas are unreasonable/faulty-perception, or you hope that they won't be included because it will mess up "your" game, doesn't seem so reasonable or appropriate to me. And doing it in as many posts as you have in this thread, speaks to a certain level of flipping out...at least in my opinion.
...my basic point has always been the same.
Yes, your basic point has been consistent and stated many times, in response to many enquiries by me and others. But there has been a misunderstanding. The question you keep answering for me, isn't the question I'm asking. I'm not entirely sure how I continue to not state my question clearly, but somehow that keeps happening. So rather than bother you with this again, I'll just cut to the chase.
I think it's wrong to question someone elses perceptions, and to do so in a manner which seems to be saying those perceptions are wrong, ridiculous, or selectively silly...especially when having inconsistent and selective perceptions is something that we are all guilty of. It's just a universal trait and foible of all of us. I don't know if your intention was to come across in such a manner, but that's the way it did. Perhaps it was a subconcious, knee-jerk response to the way you felt JC was posting, or if you felt he was coming across like his perceptions should be the norm (whether he meant that or not)...I don't know either way. But I do feel that it's wrong to do this.
Your doing this rubbed me the wrong way, and I responded the way I did because of that. But that was a knee-jerk reaction also, and also wasn't right. I should not have been pursuing this line of question, and especially should not have been doing it in the manner I was doing it in. Consider this line of questions dead. I will not be bothering you on this subject again.
As to this:
But, it's getting rather tiresome El Mahdi, when you continue to drag in other conversations into this one, simply to try to prove something that isn't even being discussed.
Whether you liked it or not, the quote I brought in was related and applicable to the conversation I was having with you. The fact that it was your quote made it even more applicable. You made the argument that if someone on ENWorld was flipping out, the community had the right to hammer and ridicule that member, and advocated that the community should do so. If that's true for flipping out (which I feel you were), then it's also true for other behaviors which are unacceptable to the ENWorld community. I'm sorry my bringing in that quote upset you, but you don't get to advocate for what you did in that post, and then call foul when someone uses it as justification for the same thing concerning you.
As I said earlier though, I believe that no poster here has the right to hammer or ridicule any other poster for any reason. Though it seems that my take on this may not be officially supported. But whether it's tacitly approved or not, I shouldn't have indulged in it anyways, especially in contradiction to my own beliefs. And that is what I was attempting to do with my line of question. I apologize for breaking my own rule.
