Fighter abilities vs. mobile attackers

[kristov]

Goblin Warriors have this ability:
Mobile Ranged Attack (standard; at-will)
The goblin warrior can move up to half its speed; at any point
during that movement, it makes one ranged attack without
provoking an opportunity attack.

Does a fighter have anything to counteract this? With the fighters combat superiority and marking the target so that if he shifts he gets to swing and all that good jazz.

In cases like this whos specific rules counters?
1) Monster has ability to move without provoking attacks.
2) Fighter has abilities to attack when creatures move.

That kind of stuff - whos ability kicks in last, and therefore actually counts?

 

[mlangsdorf]

If the fighter has marked the goblin, and the goblin uses Mobile Ranged Attack to shoot someone other than the fighter while adjacent to the fighter, the fighter can take an Immediate Interrupt to attack the goblin using Combat Challenge.

Also, if the movement power doesn't specify that it doesn't provoke OAs from movement, the fighter can take his normal OA if the foes leaves an adjacent square. If he hits, the movement will stop because of Combat Superiority.


In general, people who have ability to move with provoking OAs trump fighters, because fighters have nothing to stop that. Fighters get to attack when a marked foe shifts, but can't do anything about people who don't shift.

 

[Syrsuro]

As written, the goblin does not suffer an OA from the ranged attack but can still suffer an OA from the movement.

Thus the fighter (or anyone) can take an OA for the goblin's movement. If the movement were also not supposed to trigger an OA it would likely have been written as a shift (compare to Shadar-Kai dance of death) and/or specified that the movement also did not trigger an OA.

Carl

 

[Alex319]

If the fighter has marked the goblin, and the goblin uses Mobile Ranged Attack to shoot someone other than the fighter while adjacent to the fighter, the fighter can take an Immediate Interrupt to attack the goblin using Combat Challenge.

Also, if the movement power doesn't specify that it doesn't provoke OAs from movement, the fighter can take his normal OA if the foes leaves an adjacent square. If he hits, the movement will stop because of Combat Superiority.

In general, people who have ability to move with provoking OAs trump fighters, because fighters have nothing to stop that. Fighters get to attack when a marked foe shifts, but can't do anything about people who don't shift.

Yes. The fighter's Combat Challenge attack is an immediate interrupt, not an OA, and specifically says it triggers on a shift.

If the opponent has an ability that says it "moves without provoking OAs", but is not a shift, then the fighter does not get his CC attack. If the opponent has an ability that says it can "shift", then the fighter does get a CC attack.

However, I am not aware of any ability that is a "move without provoking OAs" but is not a shift (with the exception of forced movement.) Mobile Ranged Attack is not in this category, because the ranged attack does not provoke OAs, but the movement does.

 

[Syrsuro]

However, I am not aware of any ability that is a "move without provoking OAs" but is not a shift (with the exception of forced movement.)

Just to be pedantic: Teleport

I know, not relevant here. But there it is.....

Carl