FINAL Updated Warmage Variant Spell List???

[Dominic Ladon]

[b]Warmage Variant Spell List[/b]			
[b]Existing Spell List	Added/Removed/Modified	        Final Spell List[/b]

[b][u]0 Level			0 Level				0 Level[/b][/u]
Acid Splash						Light
Disrupt Undead		Electric Jolt			Ray of Frost
Light							Acid Splash
Ray of Frost						Electric Jolt
			Sonic Snap			Sonic Snap
			Caltrops			Caltrops

[b][u]1st Level		1st Level			1st Level[/b][/u]
Accuracy		Sonic Blast			Lesser Orb of Fire
Burning Hands						Burning Hands
Chill Touch						Lesser Orb of Cold
Fist of Stone						Chill Touch
Hail of Stone		Persistent Blade		Lesser Orb of Acid
Magic Missile						Fist of Stone
Lesser Orb of Acid					Lesser Orb of Electricity
Lesser Orb of Cold					Shocking Grasp
Lesser Orb of Electricity				Magic Missile
Lesser Orb of Fire					Persistent Blade
Lesser Orb of Sound					Lesser Orb of Sound
Shocking Grasp						Sonic Blast
True Strike		[COLOR=Red]Removed[/COLOR]

[b][u]2nd Level		2nd Level			2nd Level[/b][/u]
Blades of Fire		Blast of Force			Fireburst
Continual Flame		Electric Loop			Pyrotechnics
Fire Trap	                			Ice Knife
Fireburst						Melf's Acid Arrow
Flaming Sphere		Removed			        Electric Loop
Ice Knife						Blast of Force
Melf's Acid Arrow					Shatter
Pyrotechnics						Whirling Blade
Scorching Ray		                                [COLOR=Red]Scorching Ray[/COLOR]		
Shatter			                                [COLOR=Red]Fire Trap[/COLOR]
Whirling Blade

[b][u]3rd Level		3rd Level			3rd Level[/b][/u]
Fire Shield		Chain Missile			Fireball
Fireball						Ice Storm
Flame Arrow		Resonating Bolt			Poison
Gust of Wind		Heroism				Lightning Bolt
Ice Storm						Chain Missile
Lightning Bolt						Ring of Blades
Poison							Resonating Bolt
Ring of Blades						Heroism
Sleet Storm		Removed		
Stinking Cloud		Removed		

[b][u]4th Level		4th Level			4th Level[/b][/u]
Blast of Flame		Wall of Ice			Orb of Fire
Contagion	        Tremor				Wall of Fire
Evard's Black Tentacles	Force Missiles			Orb of Cold
Orb of Acid						Wall of Ice
Orb of Cold						Orb of Acid
Orb of Electricity					Tremor
Orb of Fire						Orb of Electricity
Orb of Force						Call Lightning
Orb of Sound						Orb of Force
Phantasmal Killer	Call Lightning			Force Missiles
Shout							Orb of Sound
Wall of Fire						Shout

[b][u]5th Level		5th Level			5th Level[/b][/u]
Arc of Lightning					Greater Fireburst
Cloudkill						Cone of Cold 
Cone of Cold 						Cloudkill
Mass Fire Shield	Shard Storm			Arc of Lightning
Greater Fireburst					Shard Storm
Flame Strike		Removed				Prismatic Ray
Prismatic Ray

[b][u]6th Level		6th Level			6th Level[/b][/u]
Acid Fog						Firebrand
Blade Barrier						Otiluke's Freezing Sphere
Chain Lightning						Acid Fog
Circle of Death		Firebrand			Chain Lightning
Disintegrate						Blade Barrier
Fire Seeds		Sonic Rumble			Sonic Rumble
Otiluke's Freezing Sphere				Disintegrate
Tenser's Transformation					Tenser's Transformation

[b][u]7th Level		7th Level			7th Level[/b][/u]
Delayed Blast Fireball					Delayed Blast Fireball
Earthquake						Sunbeam
Finger of Death					        Freezing Fog
Fire Storm		        			Earthquake
Mordenkainen's Sword					Mordenkainen's Sword
Prismatic Spray						Prismatic Spray
Sunbeam			                                [COLOR=Red]Fire Storm[/COLOR]
Waves of Exhaustion	Freezing Fog                    [COLOR=Red]Finger of Death[/COLOR]
	
[b][u]8th Level		8th Level			8th Level[/b][/u]
Horrid Wilting		Lightning Ring			Incendiary Cloud
Incendiary Cloud					Sunburst
Polar Ray						Polar Ray
Prismatic Wall						Lightning Ring
Scintillating Pattern	Removed				Greater Shout
Greater Shout						Prismatic Wall
Sunburst
	
[b][u]9th Level		9th Level			9th Level[/b][/u]
Elemental Swarm		Black Blade of Disaster		Meteor Swarm
Implosion						Obedient Avalanche
Meteor Swarm						Black Blade of Disaster
Prismatic Sphere					Prismatic Sphere
Wail of the Banshee	Body of War			Implosion
Weird			Obedient Avalanche		Body of War

I finally figured out how to put this into the thread by means other than an excel attachment. Hopefully, now that it is easier to read, I will get more responses to my Warmage Variant Spell List. Please give me any advice and suggestions that you may have, as well as the reasons and logic behind why you feel it should be the suggested way. Also, I would ask that you keep in mind that I personally feel that the Warmage is a little overpowered to begin with, and as such, this spell list may seem a little less powerful than the original, but I would like to keep a little that way to make the Warmage a little more balanced. Thanks

 

[ChimericDream]

I like the list overall. It looks like you've put quite a bit of effort into it. It looks like you've taken out pretty much all of the necromancy spells, but as someone who plays a warmage, I'm begging you.... put Finger of Death back in! I used it just this past week to take out a big baddie. It's the second time I've politely asked the DM to roll a nat 1 on a save, and both times, he did! First time was a fort save for a frost giant, and this time was a fort save for a plant creature.

But yeah.... put Finger of Death back in. It fits the MO of the warmage, at least in my (skewed) opinion.

 

[Dominic Ladon]

Says someone with an avatar picture of Darth Vader...

But thank you for the suggestion. Of all of the save or die spells, it would be one of the few I would consider reinserting.

 

[Victim]

I think Scintillating Pattern was included since it was intended that Warmages eventually meet the spell requirements for Archmage. Same thing for the necromancy stuff. Mastery of Shaping is a good thing to shoot for if the warmage cares about precision.

I can see cutting Flamestrike (divine damage is a bit odd for them), but I think Firestorm at least is important for the mass slaughter aspect of the class. It has one of the biggest areas around for a damaging spell, which seems like it'd fit nicely with their battlefield uses.

Lightning Ring is no substitute for Horrid Wilting, especially since the caster level on the Lightning Bolts is only 5, thereby rendering the spell useless against SR. Horrid Wilting is one of the best blaster spells around, even if its school is rather odd, so it's rather cruel to remove it because you don't seem to want warmages with necromancy. Too bad there's no evocation spell like Horrid wilting.

The removal of scorching ray is unusual; has this been removed in general?

The switches for Avalanche, Firebrand, Electric Loop and Chain Missiles seem good. Mass Fireshield... What were they thinking?

With the removal of the save or dies, some debuffs and battlefield control, the class seems much narrower. Although you seem to disagree, the class doesn't seem particularly strong in the first place, so you might want to be careful about taking too much off.

 

[Dominic Ladon]

Thank you for the suggestions, Ill make changes to the original post in another color. Please let me know what you think.

 

[ChimericDream]

I like the new version a lot better. Adding those couple spells back in gave a little back to the class. Looks good to me.

 

[Dominic Ladon]

Can everyone please take a final look at my Variant Spell List for the Warmage and give me final comments. I think its balanced, maintains the Warmage flavor, and is just all around fun times. If you have any final suggestions let me know, otherwise I'll consider it good. Thanks to everyone for their help up to this point, it has been greatly appreciated.

 

[Dominic Ladon]

Any final thoughts or comments???

 

[Dominic Ladon]

Since there have been no posts, I will assume that this looks fair and balanced to everyone, and I will leave it to my DM to decide if it is House Rule worthy. Thanks again to everyone for the help.