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Focusing on Combat Maneuvers... is it worth it?
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<blockquote data-quote="Dingo333" data-source="post: 5748397" data-attributes="member: 6672910"><p>Any maneuver can ruin a DM's plan in a heart beat. One of the players accidently disarmed a monster, causing its death (Heros system but the same could happen in PF)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Or, say you blinded a bear and it just full attacks you anyway, it still has a +13 to hit with 3 attacks, sure the rouge may kill it on their action but all that is protecting you is a 50% miss chance, odds are, at least 1 attack is gonna hit, possibly 2. Even if you did a shaken it is only a -2 to hit</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Too bad it is level 7 to get it for all but the fighter. And most. like the rouge, have to wait till level 11 to get it.</p><p></p><p>It is also not just 1 attack, it is all your attacks that round (2-4 of them)</p><p></p><p>P.S. Go ahead and kick a dragon in a sensitive spot, you will be food as they pretty much ignore the penalty till it is over</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am going to assume you are about EPL 7, maybe 6. Your DM needs to learn to diversify what you fight. Blind does nothing against a foe with blind sight or blind fight feat, entangle is pointless vs non humanoids (no pants to pull down) deafened is only good vs casters, shaken does not affect fearless creatures, nor does sickened affect constructs or undead. The only one consistently useful is Dazzled</p><p></p><p>While I can see it being useful, Dirty trick is simply not worth the 3 feats to get it to work consistently where as others can be with just 2 (the third feat being icing)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dingo333, post: 5748397, member: 6672910"] Any maneuver can ruin a DM's plan in a heart beat. One of the players accidently disarmed a monster, causing its death (Heros system but the same could happen in PF) Or, say you blinded a bear and it just full attacks you anyway, it still has a +13 to hit with 3 attacks, sure the rouge may kill it on their action but all that is protecting you is a 50% miss chance, odds are, at least 1 attack is gonna hit, possibly 2. Even if you did a shaken it is only a -2 to hit Too bad it is level 7 to get it for all but the fighter. And most. like the rouge, have to wait till level 11 to get it. It is also not just 1 attack, it is all your attacks that round (2-4 of them) P.S. Go ahead and kick a dragon in a sensitive spot, you will be food as they pretty much ignore the penalty till it is over I am going to assume you are about EPL 7, maybe 6. Your DM needs to learn to diversify what you fight. Blind does nothing against a foe with blind sight or blind fight feat, entangle is pointless vs non humanoids (no pants to pull down) deafened is only good vs casters, shaken does not affect fearless creatures, nor does sickened affect constructs or undead. The only one consistently useful is Dazzled While I can see it being useful, Dirty trick is simply not worth the 3 feats to get it to work consistently where as others can be with just 2 (the third feat being icing) [/QUOTE]
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