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Gate vs. Monster Summoning IX

Jack Haggerty

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The disadvantage to a Gate spell is that it is a "Calling" spell.

What that mean? According to the SRD, it means this...

Calling: The spell fully transports a creature from another plane to the plane the character is on. The spell grants the creature the one-time ability to return to its plane of origin, although the spell may limit the circumstances under which this is possible. Creatures who are called actually die when they are killed; they do not disappear and reform, as do those brought by a summoning spell (see below). The duration of a calling spell is instantaneous, which means that the called creature can't be dispelled.

Spells that call powerful extraplanar creatures are most useful when the conjurer has a magical trap to hold the summoned creature. The simplest type of trap is a magic circle spell (magic circle against chaos, magic circle against evil, etc.). When focused inward, a magic circle spell binds a called creature for a maximum of 24 hours per caster level, provided that the character casts the spell that calls the creature within 1 round of casting the magic circle. A magic circle leaves much to be desired as a trap, however. If the circle of powdered silver laid down in the process of spellcasting is broken, the effect immediately ends. The trapped creature can do nothing that disturbs the circle, directly or indirectly, but other creatures can. If the called creature has spell resistance, it can test the trap once a day. If the character fails to overcome the spell resistance, the creature breaks free, destroying the circle. A creature capable of any form of dimensional travel can simply leave the circle through that means. The character can prevent the creature's extradimensional escape by casting a dimensional anchor spell on it, but the character must cast the spell before the creature acts. If successful, the anchor effect lasts as long as the magic circle does. The creature cannot reach across the magic circle, but its ranged attacks (ranged weapons, spells, magical abilities, etc.) can. The creature can attack any target it can reach with its ranged attacks except for the circle itself.

The character can use a special diagram (a two-dimensional bounded figure with no gaps along its circumference, augmented with various magical sigils) to make the trap more secure. Drawing the diagram by hand takes 10 minutes and requires a Spellcraft check (DC 20). The DM makes this check secretly. If the check fails, the diagram is ineffective. The character can take 10 when drawing the diagram if the character is under no particular time pressure to complete the task. This also takes 10 full minutes. If time is no factor at all, and the character devotes 3 hours and 20 minutes to the task, the character can take 20. A successful diagram allows the character to cast a dimensional anchor spell on the trap during the round before casting any summoning spell. The anchor holds any called creatures in the diagram for 24 hours per caster level. A creature cannot use its spell resistance against a trap prepared with a diagram, and none of its abilities or attacks can cross the diagram. If the creature tries a Charisma check to break free of the trap, the DC increases by 5. The creature is immediately released if anything disturbs the diagram—even a straw laid across it. However, the creature cannot disturb the diagram itself either directly or indirectly, as noted above.

So, unless you are a particularly powerful sorcerer or wizard, with plenty of protections in place, that Balor will likely Teleport Without Error out of the protective circle, eat you and go home. If you Dimensional Anchor them, they have SR 28, which also gives them a chance to break free of the circle. Or, they can just Suggest that the party's fighter sweep away a little bit of that magic circle. Finally, it could simply Fire Storm or Implode the spellcaster who gated it.

You get a much more powerful creature, but it takes longer, its typically an angry outsider, and there's no guarantee of it obeying your commands. It's a much more dangerous spell for the caster.
 
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Otterscrubber

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Actually the Gate spell has already taken controlling the creature into account. It states that as long as the HD of the creature does not exceed twice your caster level then it can be controlled by the summoner. A controlled creature can automatically be commanded to perform a service. Only if the service takes longer than 1 round/caster level do you need to bargain with it and for a short service it will depart at the end of the spell. I guess whether it leaves or not is really up to the GM, but that is what the text says.
 

Macbrea

First Post
Ace32 said:


Cept they are chaotic evil demons :p


Grrr, so, they have to play screams of the damned instead of bone poker while they wait. Either way they end up with new play toys!


Gah..... ygolomsoc drawkcab
 

Jack Haggerty

First Post
Otterscrubber said:
Actually the Gate spell has already taken controlling the creature into account. It states that as long as the HD of the creature does not exceed twice your caster level then it can be controlled by the summoner. A controlled creature can automatically be commanded to perform a service. Only if the service takes longer than 1 round/caster level do you need to bargain with it and for a short service it will depart at the end of the spell. I guess whether it leaves or not is really up to the GM, but that is what the text says.

That, and there's really nothing to stop it from coming back and clobbering the spellcaster later once the spell is complete.
 

SableWyvern

Adventurer
I think Macbrea made the best point so far.

Gate does allow you to summon a much tougher critter than any summons spell.

What gate does not do, is prevent thirty of its friends following it out.
 
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Mahiro Satsu

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Ever try to call a powerful political figure on the phone.... its not fun and they resent it. Why would someone want to anger a demon or celestial if they can summon a monster instead. if your wizard was really hot s*** then he wouldn't need either anyway.
 

Vanye

Explorer
Lela said:
SM9 may just be there for domain purposes. I do think it's way underpowered, with Time Stop, Gate, and Wish hanging around.

It's also useful for those who need multible lower level monsters. Sometimes one highter level guy just isn't what you're looking for.

Exactly. I can always see a use for 1-3 Greater Elementals. Or 2-5 Bebilith. 2-5 Slaad. 2-5 Djinni.
 

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