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<blockquote data-quote="Valiant" data-source="post: 3913841" data-attributes="member: 54792"><p>To avoid thread jacking another thread in a response to Storm Raven, I'm starting a new thread here.</p><p></p><p>This is what Gygax had to say about his BTB understanding of how initiative is supposed to work in 1E (including spell use) posted a few years ago at DF. </p><p></p><p>Anonymous wrote: </p><p>Thanks Gary, </p><p></p><p>A few follow ups, if you don't mind: </p><p></p><p>Is this the proper interp. of roling init. </p><p></p><p>-DM vs. Player (player states intent, DM thinks his, and the two sides role) </p><p>DM roles 3 Player roles 6. The player goes first, starting actions on seg. 3, the DM goes second starting on seg. 6. </p><p></p><p>That is correct. </p><p></p><p>Quote: </p><p>-A spell caster does not loose their spell if hit before they cast within that round. (ex. a MU intends on casting MM but is hit on seg 2 before he can begin casting his spell on segment 3.) </p><p></p><p>A spell-caster struck and losing HPs thereby before completion of spell casting does indeed have the casting interrupted, the spell fails and is lost. </p><p>If the spell isn't begiun, then the hit does not affect his intent unless he wishes to alter it. </p><p></p><p>Quote: </p><p>-To loose a spell the MU would have already had to started casting (ex. MU starts casting Fire ball on seg. 1 but is hit on seg 2 before the spell goes off). </p><p></p><p>correct. </p><p></p><p>-A MU does not loose his dex. bonus to AC until after he begins casting, and regains his AC after his spell has been cast. </p><p>(ex. MU intends on casting web, but can't act until seg 3. From seg 1-2 he gets his AC bonus of -2 so his AC is 8. On seg 3 he must stop all positioning and begin casting eff. loosing his dex bonus. Thus from seg 3 to seg 5 his AC is a 10. The spell goes off on seg 5, and the MU gets his AC dex bonus back on seg 6.</p></blockquote><p>correct, and I generally allow a spell-caster to retain his dexterity bonus to AC even when he is casting. </p><p></p><p>Quote: </p><p>Well, thanks again Gary. As everyone knows, YouDaMan. </p><p></p><p>Welsome, and I am always happy to be of service to my fellows </p><p></p><p>Cheers, </p><p>Gary</p><p></p><p></p><p>So Storm Raven, basically a bit different then what ADDICT claims. According to Gygax: </p><p></p><p>1. You go on the role your oppenent makes (side A roles for side B visa versa)</p><p>2. Spells go off on the role made by the other guy + casting time.</p><p>3. During casting is the only time a spell caster loses dex bonus</p><p>4. No loss of spell if your hit before you start casting, only while your casting</p><p></p><p>I've read the rules regarding initiative and I don't see anything that contradicts Gygax's BTB understanding of initiative (and since he wrote the book I think we should give a little weight to what he says) though he might be wrong. A big factor that supports his claim is casting time in segments listed with each spell.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Valiant, post: 3913841, member: 54792"] To avoid thread jacking another thread in a response to Storm Raven, I'm starting a new thread here. This is what Gygax had to say about his BTB understanding of how initiative is supposed to work in 1E (including spell use) posted a few years ago at DF. Anonymous wrote: Thanks Gary, A few follow ups, if you don't mind: Is this the proper interp. of roling init. -DM vs. Player (player states intent, DM thinks his, and the two sides role) DM roles 3 Player roles 6. The player goes first, starting actions on seg. 3, the DM goes second starting on seg. 6. That is correct. Quote: -A spell caster does not loose their spell if hit before they cast within that round. (ex. a MU intends on casting MM but is hit on seg 2 before he can begin casting his spell on segment 3.) A spell-caster struck and losing HPs thereby before completion of spell casting does indeed have the casting interrupted, the spell fails and is lost. If the spell isn't begiun, then the hit does not affect his intent unless he wishes to alter it. Quote: -To loose a spell the MU would have already had to started casting (ex. MU starts casting Fire ball on seg. 1 but is hit on seg 2 before the spell goes off). correct. -A MU does not loose his dex. bonus to AC until after he begins casting, and regains his AC after his spell has been cast. (ex. MU intends on casting web, but can't act until seg 3. From seg 1-2 he gets his AC bonus of -2 so his AC is 8. On seg 3 he must stop all positioning and begin casting eff. loosing his dex bonus. Thus from seg 3 to seg 5 his AC is a 10. The spell goes off on seg 5, and the MU gets his AC dex bonus back on seg 6. [/quote] correct, and I generally allow a spell-caster to retain his dexterity bonus to AC even when he is casting. Quote: Well, thanks again Gary. As everyone knows, YouDaMan. Welsome, and I am always happy to be of service to my fellows Cheers, Gary So Storm Raven, basically a bit different then what ADDICT claims. According to Gygax: 1. You go on the role your oppenent makes (side A roles for side B visa versa) 2. Spells go off on the role made by the other guy + casting time. 3. During casting is the only time a spell caster loses dex bonus 4. No loss of spell if your hit before you start casting, only while your casting I've read the rules regarding initiative and I don't see anything that contradicts Gygax's BTB understanding of initiative (and since he wrote the book I think we should give a little weight to what he says) though he might be wrong. A big factor that supports his claim is casting time in segments listed with each spell. [/QUOTE]
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