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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 8805594" data-attributes="member: 85555"><p>I have been to acupuncture and found it effective. At least where I went, and the person was trained in China, they also prescribed traditional chinese medicine too. I've also found massage that is based on concepts of Qi flow helpful. Mostly I have used these things to treat Crohns Disease and peripheral neuropathy related to my Crohns (I'm also on two antibiotics, so I am doing both approaches). Meditation was another very helpful method for dealing with symptoms. I have found a lot of improvement of symptoms from both these methods. The crohns itself is not going to be cured by these things, but stuff like pain, sensation in my hands and feet, and my overall immune function do seem better. I am not in a position to say why they work for me, whether the principles underlying them are real, but I find them effective, and to me that is the important thing (obviously there are non-supernatural explanations for why something like massage would be beneficial health wise, but I have also found greater results from people who subscribe to methods that are based around Qi flow).</p><p></p><p>I will say I was in a more skeptical phase when I first got sick (which was amplified by being sick). But being more open minded about these kinds of treatments has led to results for me. I had a very radical improvement of health after trying this stuff. </p><p></p><p>And when I did martial arts Qi was a pretty important concept in some of the styles I was involved in (and I found if you followed the principles the instructors gave it was helpful). You don't have to subscribe to a mystical notion of Qi to employ it. But I am also not persuaded that it isn't real either. And I am not talking about people who claim they can knock out others at a range through Qi, I am talking more about breathing technique, visualization techniques (one of my favorites is imagining golden light entering your body as you breath in and exhaling black smoke with each breath out). </p><p></p><p>Personally I wouldn't knock Qi as a concept, but I also wouldn't necessarily file it under supernatural, as its something I've seen people talk about in lots of different ways. Maybe all it is is a useful way to visualize things like breathing so you engage your diaphragm in a better way, or maybe it's something more. To me what matters is it has yielded results.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 8805594, member: 85555"] I have been to acupuncture and found it effective. At least where I went, and the person was trained in China, they also prescribed traditional chinese medicine too. I've also found massage that is based on concepts of Qi flow helpful. Mostly I have used these things to treat Crohns Disease and peripheral neuropathy related to my Crohns (I'm also on two antibiotics, so I am doing both approaches). Meditation was another very helpful method for dealing with symptoms. I have found a lot of improvement of symptoms from both these methods. The crohns itself is not going to be cured by these things, but stuff like pain, sensation in my hands and feet, and my overall immune function do seem better. I am not in a position to say why they work for me, whether the principles underlying them are real, but I find them effective, and to me that is the important thing (obviously there are non-supernatural explanations for why something like massage would be beneficial health wise, but I have also found greater results from people who subscribe to methods that are based around Qi flow). I will say I was in a more skeptical phase when I first got sick (which was amplified by being sick). But being more open minded about these kinds of treatments has led to results for me. I had a very radical improvement of health after trying this stuff. And when I did martial arts Qi was a pretty important concept in some of the styles I was involved in (and I found if you followed the principles the instructors gave it was helpful). You don't have to subscribe to a mystical notion of Qi to employ it. But I am also not persuaded that it isn't real either. And I am not talking about people who claim they can knock out others at a range through Qi, I am talking more about breathing technique, visualization techniques (one of my favorites is imagining golden light entering your body as you breath in and exhaling black smoke with each breath out). Personally I wouldn't knock Qi as a concept, but I also wouldn't necessarily file it under supernatural, as its something I've seen people talk about in lots of different ways. Maybe all it is is a useful way to visualize things like breathing so you engage your diaphragm in a better way, or maybe it's something more. To me what matters is it has yielded results. [/QUOTE]
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