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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 8805685" data-attributes="member: 85555"><p>And keep in mind what I was talking about was not a teacher presenting a student with one argument for why they should change their mind. Rather this is about presenting a topic and presenting the full arguments for both (or several) positions on that topic, such as arguments for and against God (with those arguments both being steal manned). And it isn't about trying to turn theists into atheists or atheists into theists, it is about exposing people to the arguments, to principles of logic, and allowing them to form their conclusions from that. There is also plenty of space there for students to formulate their own arguments, and have those arguments subject to criticism. I think approaches like this are more likely to work than telling someone why they need to change their position, because, to your point, it isn't an assault on their sense of identity. They can take those arguments to reinforce their identity if they choose. But they can also be persuaded to other points of view. </p><p></p><p>And obviously this is a self selecting group. People who sign up to be philosophy majors or minors, or who seek out books where they can read these arguments, are probably interested in ideas and open to changing their perspective. But I saw plenty of people in these courses change their minds not just on whether they believed God existed or not but on hotly contested social and cultural issues (often times they were surprised where they fell once they saw steal manned arguments they hadn't encountered before).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 8805685, member: 85555"] And keep in mind what I was talking about was not a teacher presenting a student with one argument for why they should change their mind. Rather this is about presenting a topic and presenting the full arguments for both (or several) positions on that topic, such as arguments for and against God (with those arguments both being steal manned). And it isn't about trying to turn theists into atheists or atheists into theists, it is about exposing people to the arguments, to principles of logic, and allowing them to form their conclusions from that. There is also plenty of space there for students to formulate their own arguments, and have those arguments subject to criticism. I think approaches like this are more likely to work than telling someone why they need to change their position, because, to your point, it isn't an assault on their sense of identity. They can take those arguments to reinforce their identity if they choose. But they can also be persuaded to other points of view. And obviously this is a self selecting group. People who sign up to be philosophy majors or minors, or who seek out books where they can read these arguments, are probably interested in ideas and open to changing their perspective. But I saw plenty of people in these courses change their minds not just on whether they believed God existed or not but on hotly contested social and cultural issues (often times they were surprised where they fell once they saw steal manned arguments they hadn't encountered before). [/QUOTE]
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