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Hide in Plain sight; Legal?
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It's better then Invisibility...Zhure said:
The Invisibility spell has set DC for finding someone who is invisible... someone hiding in plain sight uses their (usually if they are a good Rogue) much higher Hide skill to set the DC for finding...
Casting a Invisibility spell is a std. action (faster if quickened)... HIPS is a move equiv. action.
I'm sure there are more... I just can't think of them at the moment.
Mike
niteshade6
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Well hide in plain sight does have limitations. First off, if you attack you come out of hiding, and if you use the stalking rules in S&S you can only move a very limited distance before you attack. You can't hide again without a move action, so unless you have spring attack or haste there is no way to hide, attack, and hide again on the same round, and even this can be foiled by a readied action.
Finaly, remember that the only abilities HIPS actualy gives you is the ability to hide in a room without concealment, and the ability to make a hide check while being observed. Aside from this, it's just normal hiding, and anything that would reveal or give bonuses against somebody who was hiding normaly would also reveal somebody using HIPS.
Finaly, remember that the only abilities HIPS actualy gives you is the ability to hide in a room without concealment, and the ability to make a hide check while being observed. Aside from this, it's just normal hiding, and anything that would reveal or give bonuses against somebody who was hiding normaly would also reveal somebody using HIPS.
mikebr99 said:
Hardly!...
I learned this, painfully, with my 7th level Ranger, with Spot & Listen maxed out, and Blind-fight, to boot!
Spot DC 20 just lets you know that something invisible is out there... somewhere (how you can "Spot" that, without getting at least direction, the DMG doesn't say)! To get a general direction is DC 30. To get exact location is DC 40! This requires a roll of 20, being 17th or higher level, AND having Spot maxed out, as a Class Skill (a bit lower, with high WIS)!
So, a 7th level Ranger, with Spot as a Class Skill, and maxed out, can detect the GENERAL DIRECTION of an invisible opponent only on a roll of a natural 20, and still will not have enough information to target the correct square!
If you see a line of footprints appearing in the dust (Spot DC 20), it seems to me that that should be sufficient to target the invisible opponent. The rules, as written, are bad game design, IMHO.
Invisibility should give a bonus (+10? +20?) to Hide, and a successful Spot should be all you need to know exactly where an Inviso-critter is.
Invisibility, as it stands now, is too powerful, completely negating the abilities of the PCs or their opponents. Blind-fight doesn't help, either, as it only helps you hit something once you know where it is!
Pielorinho
Iron Fist of Pelor
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Daniel
Daniel
dreaded_beast
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in the FAQ, hide in plain sight is a move-equivalent action that works like the hide skill. you can move and hide at the same time, since you can do that with the hide skill. so on your move phase of combat, you could move 15ft. to get to a foe and hide in plain sight, then on your standard action, get 1 attack. or vice versa, attack then move away and hide.
Black Arrow
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Caliban said:
I designed a wererat (per MM guidelines) 3rd lvl rogue/2nd lvl guild thief [ECL 7] with 14 Wis, Alertness (bonus Guild Thief feat) and Eyes of the Eagle with Spot +25.
If he was tallfellow/elf hybrid with an 18 Wisdom he'd have Spot +29... at only 5th level. (Lycanthrope +8 Spot/Search/Listen racial bonus is obscene).
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